Stuff we bought on Amazon this week:
John Cashman: What’s going on? Niners Nation, welcome back to another podcast of Niners Talk. I am joined by my brother Tim.
Tim Cashman: Good evening
John Cashman: My brother from another mother, Brian
Brian Caynan: Greetings. Hey.
John Cashman: So you may have noticed that the sound is a little bit better, which was because we all went out and bought microphones. So for all of you who have listened before, Thank you, and we apologize for the sound quality, but if you could, we’d ask you just to leave us a review.
Give us a, like, subscribe. But as always guys, how we feeling? Tim, how you feeling? You’re in Orlando?
Tim Cashman: I’m in Orlando, yes. I will say this, when you trail a 12 year old around Universal Studios Orlando in the Florida Heat, there is no description to describe the amount of fatigue that one has at the end of that day.
John Cashman: Would you rank it Baton death march?
Tim Cashman: No, but I did tell my daughter that there have been races I have done, I’m a runner. There have been races I’ve done, I haven’t felt this tired. Brian, how you feeling? How many steps did you I think we looked at around three o’clock. I don’t know how many steps.
We think we’re about 14, 15,000. I think we had done at least six miles solid. Thank you.
Brian Caynan: I feel you. I hear you. Those, amusement park walks are brutal.
John Cashman: Brian, how you feeling today?
Brian Caynan: I’m feeling good. I’m missing Disneyland. We went a couple weeks back, so it’s great to see that Tim’s in Universal.
Enjoying that is, I’m sure it’s hot as heck down there. It’s a tad warm.
Tim Cashman: It’s a tad humid.
John Cashman: So hot one of those little orange guys burst into flames.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean I, just feel sorry for the characters who come out and all this gear and they’re in the middle of the sun at 12 new where think 90 degrees and who knows what the humidity is.
I’m like, you are earning your pay today, man. You are earning your pay.
Brian Caynan: getting, I hope they’re hanging out in the shade.
Tim Cashman: I hope so too. But yeah, it’s just God love those guys. But no we’ve been having a lot of fun, but like this morning my daughter’s like, all right, let’s get up.
We’re gonna do some rides. And I’m just kinda like, everything hurts. Like my first thought is, where’s the Advil?
John Cashman: So first before we get to Niners talk, rather than life of John, Tim and Brian, congrats to Brian. Finish the San Francisco Marathon. Brian, would you run, man? What was your time?
Brian Caynan: Ooh, a slow four 19, 17. So four hours, 19 minutes. I was kind of aiming for four. But that’s wasn’t in the cards. It had a I’ll just talk about this race real quick. It had a really big elevation gain right in the beginning. Actually probably the first half, but overall it was good. It was a good day running through the city.
So you run from. The Embarcadero down to like the Golden Gate Bridge over down to Sausalito, back across to like Golden Gate Park. And then you finish through the mission and, back in the Embarcadero. So it was a good day. It was a good run.
Tim Cashman: How, many marathons is this for you now?
Brian Caynan: This is number 16. Congratulations.
Tim Cashman: 16 on the books. Congratulations. That’s a hell of an accomplishment.
John Cashman: Yeah. And Tim, you ran the half years on way hard as well.
Tim Cashman: I did the half. Yep. Yes I did. The half, I did not, I chose not to do the full, but I did the first half and as Brian said we started Chrissy Field and was pretty good elevation to go up to the bridge.
You run over the bridge. As Brian said, we ran down a little bit of Sausalito. Came back over and ran through a little bit of a Sea Cliff and ended in Golden Gate Park. I was aiming for under two hours. I did two, two hours and 26 seconds. So, I didn’t quite get it, but considering the elevation and just being, it was, it’s it’s a tough course in terms of just, it gets crowded in some of the very narrow parts of the course, but it is what it is.
So I was happy with my time and I gotta see Brian in the Bay Area which is always terrific. So yeah, and I also saw the best tattoo I think I’ve seen in the last 40 years. Well, we will get to that. Okay, well I will just save it there, but I wanted to get the teaser, John,
Brian Caynan: I gotta say one thing real quick.
Yep. Yeah, one more thing, John. So we got to have, if you’re ever in the Bay Area, we had an awesome dinner post-race over at the house in Prime Rib a San Francisco treat. It’s, I know a lot of San Francisoc 49ers used to go there It is. And it’s awesome. And we went and food is right.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: I’ve been with you at the house of Prime rib. It’s okay.
Brian Caynan: Well, I’m just talking about our, listeners who have, we, and John, we actually sat at the same table.
Tim Cashman: We did.
John Cashman: Oh. So that’s weird. So yeah. So. So for those of you in the San Francisco area
Brian Caynan: , two martinis for the price of wine. Yes, true. Two martinis for
Tim Cashman: the price of wine.
This is true. This is why you take an Uber or have somebody like Brian’s wife drive you home.
John Cashman: So yeah, so for those of you who’d like to house of prime ribs still there. So anyway, this isn’t House of Prime rib talk it’s, Niners talk. So, We actually have people catching the ball from, we have helmets, we got helmets going on,
Tim Cashman: we got pads, we have pads,
John Cashman: And do you know what today is? It started we’re 40 days away. From opening day, you can smell it. It’s that close. Like smell it.
Tim Cashman: So would it be, too much of a stretch to say we’re also less than 48 hours from the Hall of Fame game, or is that just pushing it? I think it’s pushing it.
I think that’s pushing it.
John Cashman: It’s pushing it, but we’re getting close, man. It’s, there’s out there, there’s guys out there, football, there’s fights. I mean, there’s stuff happening. So, Talking 2023 training camp. This is originally supposed to be the preview, but we just couldn’t get all together, so now it’s a little bit of a review.
So people have passed the ball, they’ve caught the ball, they’ve gotten into fights. But overall, it’s been about a week. Right? Tim impressions so far? I mean, we obviously haven’t been there, like all the other 49 ERs podcasts.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I think the, impression so far was I was wondering what kind of shape Brock Purdy was gonna be in after the surgery and every indication from people on the Athletic and other reporters are tweeting, like he just looks as good and as healthy as he can be post-surgery. So that was the impression number one. I think the other impression that has come off has been about Trey Lance and that he’s been looking pretty sharp, though he is still struggling in some of his shorter throws, which has been ongoing theme with him.
But I think the other day, yesterday, Monday, they had their first padded practice and a huge fight broke out, but I think that was just after the N F C championship game. After several months and several weeks, guys just wanted to hit somebody and emotions were running pretty high. I don’t think Shanahan was all that upset about it, but he did pull the team aside and say, we’re all on the same team here. But I can’t imagine Shanahan is upset by seeing something like that, level of competition
John Cashman: and shockers of Shockers, Jawan Jennings was involved and honestly would love to have ’em on this podcast just to hear like, what do you say to people? Like how do you get under people’s skin?
I mean, that would just be a fascinating, so Juwan, if you’re listening, you have an open invite, Brian. So what, have you heard so far about training camp? You’re in the Bay Area what’s, going on KBR wise?
Brian Caynan: I’ve heard that from the quarterbacks, Sam Darnold’s doing pretty good. There’s a stiff competition probably between him and Trey Lance from what I’m gathering. I know this is always gonna be Brock’s team coming back. So they talk about that a lot.
That this was gonna be Brock’s team as soon as he stepped in the door. That was never gonna be in any doubt. I don’t know. They also talk around about here, about Drake Jackson looking much better. I know he got hurt last year. He wore down as the season kind of went on, but he’s looking pretty good.
Yeah, I just, I think overall it’s just going in the right direction. I didn’t hear about the fight. I didn’t know who was involved, so thank you for telling me. This is Juwan Jennings who, was on the other side
Tim Cashman: Dre Greenlaw tackled McCaffrey today, which apparently is a no-no. Yeah. But after a good solid tackle, they both got up, hugged it out, and just went back to their huddles. So no, I just heard it was a big fight and, my first thought was football’s back. These guys have been ready to go for so long after a bitter loss to Philadelphia several months ago.
So I, would say that something like that is a positive because that’s how much I think how ready, this team is to start competing.
John Cashman: So I had heard, I saw it like in all the tweets and stuff, it was Demetrius Flanigan Fowls was involved. Somebody was in a headlock, and Juwan Jennings was asked to leave because he was just chirping too much.
So I just think it was one of those things, like they were just got the pads on. They were getting after it. Yeah. So another little thing I read just before we got on was Jake Moody has been all that we all hoped after replacing Robbie Gould and hit a 60 yarder today in training camp.
I mean, that’s not like 60 yards in Denver.
Tim Cashman: I thought I saw 57. I did not see 60.
John Cashman: Well, maybe it could’ve gone 60, but it’s, it’s in the Bay Area and Brian, is it like hot there? Is it cool?
Brian Caynan: I mean’s you get the barometric pressure. I mean, it’s hot today, it’s about 10 degrees cooler.
Yesterday was hot, the weekend was hot and it’s impressive if he was able to hit 60 out here.
John Cashman: Yeah. So Tim alluded to a little bit, but before another podcast we had talked about people’s levels of fandom and I said to myself was an eight. Tim was a nine and a half. Brian’s somewhere in there too.
Yeah, we might have found a 10. A 10.
Tim Cashman: I think we, no I, think to quote the, one of the greatest movies of all time Spinal Tap, I think we found an 11.
John Cashman: Tim?
Tim Cashman: Yes. Tell us about this. 11. I’m running the San Francisco half and first part of the race you run up. You’re running up past Fort Point, you’re running up to the Golden Gate Bridge.
Those of you in the San Francisco Bay area probably know it’s pretty good. Incline. I’m behind this guy and he has his shirt off, but he has a tattoo and it’s a big 16. A big 16 and I, there’s only one number that like shoulders to waist, 16 shoulders to waist. Absolutely huge. Absolutely. So it looks like a jersey, looks like a, it’s a jersey front, exactly like a jersey.
But inside the numerals, inside the one, in the six, he also has artistry of Montana, back to throw, holding a Super Bowl trophy, scrambling and so forth. And it just was like, that is a fan. I mean, that is an absolute fan. And I just, I ran past the guy and I said, sir, that is the most beautiful tattoo I’ve ever seen in my life.
And he just looked at me, smiled and said, go Niners. I said, go Niners. So that’s, an 11, that’s a fan.
John Cashman: Yeah, that, that is a fanatic. It is I don’t have any tattoos. I know Tim does. Brian, you don’t have any tattoos, do you? Nope. None. So I’ve always wondered about the back tattoo that seems like, can you see it?
Does he have to look in the mirror and go, yeah, there’s Joe.
Tim Cashman: It’s still back there but, people like me can, and yeah, it was inspirational running up a hill, trying to get to the Golden Gate Bridge. Whoever that gentleman is, if you’re listening. It was a gorgeous tattoo. Sir, my hat is off to you.
Brian Caynan: So that’s interesting. That was like in the first, like two miles of, that race.
Tim Cashman: So he already had a shirt off. Yeah, about 2, 2, 3 miles. Something like that. Well
John Cashman: If you’re gonna, if you’re gonna have a Joe Montana tattoo in San Francisco, you might as well have your shirt off. Absolutely.
Tim Cashman: You gotta take it off.
Yeah. Actually in San Francisco Marathon.
John Cashman: Yeah, it’s 45 degrees. Why is your shirt off? You see my back. Getting back to training camp, so the word out is that today Brock Purdy apparently was, on. He’s had a bunch of stuff to Christian McCaffrey. I haven’t heard much Kittle, but really that he’s starting to knock the rust off and look pretty good.
But. I think, and then we had the little incident, I don’t know if you guys saw where our new guy, Clein Ferrell, if that pronounces correctly apparently hit the ball with on Purdy’s throwing arm. And of course everybody took one big gasp, but it’s like, well he can play football. What else have you guys heard from training camp that kinda gets your antenna up?
Tim Cashman: Well I’ll, go first. I have been seeing a lot of positive comments on Javon Kinlaw and from the previous podcasts. I was a little, well, I wouldn’t say I was down on, Kinlaw. I just thought that with the Niners Bringing in obviously, they’re, touted free agent from the Eagles.
I thought Kinlaw was just gonna be on his way out, but as some people have, noted, if you’re having Kinlaw in a rotational spot where he doesn’t have to be the every down guy, he could potentially. Flourish and since he was on a snap count last year again, him being just a rotational piece, adding some depth on the DL.
But he has had some some decent reviews from training camp so far. So I’m happy to hear that. I really hope that he is able to progress on that just given his injury history and the fact that I really want him to prove Grant Cohn wrong after last year’s interview. But kudos to Javan.
I hope he keeps it up.
John Cashman: Brian, have you been hearing anything more?
Brian Caynan: Yeah, I’ve heard Drake Jackson’s looking pretty good. I think the way that he’s moving this year looks is so much more better than last year. I know he was a rookie last year, so this is kind of his sophomore year, his second year, getting prepared. I’ve also heard that Brandon Aiyuk has done really, well. So yeah, I think he’s in his fourth year this year and it’s with a team option, I think for next year for the fifth. So he’s doing really well and he just continues to improve and improve, and I’m sure he will get resigned by us in any way whatsoever.
John Cashman: Speaking of resigns, there’s a small-ish guy who can play left, he can play right? He’s got quads the size of Sequoia trees.
Tim Cashman: Are you being slightly sarcastic?
John Cashman: Just slightly. And his name is Nick Bosa. So on a scale of one to 10, Brian, How are you feeling?
Do you feel like it’s gonna get done? Like Bosa’s gonna be signed? We’re not gonna have drama going into Pittsburgh.
Brian Caynan: I have a feeling he’ll definitely be signed. I can only say what I’ve read and what I’ve heard, but, I don’t know if he, I guess, from what I understand, he wants.
Not that he wants there’s thought that should he get paid more than that guy from the Rams why did his name escape me? Aaron Donald.
John Cashman: Aaron Donald, yeah. He’s dead to us
Brian Caynan: Are they gonna pay him Aaron Donald money or slightly below? I mean, I know Aaron Donald does have a Super Bowl and three defensive player of the years. I think he will get signed. I think it’s just a matter of time and they’re probably just working out the final details of the money now. I mean, I know with N F L contracts, there’s a there’s, what’s guaranteed and what’s not guaranteed. And I think that could be coming into it. But I’m sure he’ll be signed and there’ll be nothing to worry about by the time we get to Pittsburgh week one.
John Cashman: Tim, how you feeling?
Tim Cashman: About Nick’s extension? He’s gonna be signed, you can take that to the bank. I know there’s a little bit of negotiation between his camp and the Niners. Lynch and Praag Maathe. But I think at the end of the day, both sides want Nick Bosa to be on the 49ers? This is a championship caliber football team. The 49ers will just have to play some financial Tetris given their salary cap situation, but I’m not losing sleep over it. The fact that Nick Bosa is not in camp he’ll get into camp and he’ll be ready to go by Pittsburgh.
John Cashman: I really have to give credit to Lynch and Praag, and I was not a Praag fan for a pretty long time because they’ve done a very good job of signing people at this very point in time. They did it with Deebo, did it with Kittle. They’ll do it with Bosa.
I think it may take a little bit longer than we’re all accustomed to. I’m thinking second preseason game, and if there’s anybody who I’m really not worried about who’s ready to go football, it’s Nick Bosa.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I’ll just throw one other thing out there, John, is that technically Nick Bose is under contract.
He should be reporting to camp for the Niners. Can’t actually fine him for not playing at training camp, and they’re choosing to waive those fines. Now, obviously, I think that’s a gesture of goodwill towards the Bosa camp, but if the 49ers were really playing hardball, I think you’d see something like that come into play and we’re not.
So I think that’s just Lynch and the Bosa camp getting on the same page. So I think that’s just another thing that to look at and just say this is a deal that will get done. Like you said I wouldn’t, put it past ’em to, say go, right up until the end of training camp or even the second or third pre-season game.
But I think a deal’s gonna get done.
John Cashman: Yeah, I do too. It’s one of the things that would just, no one seems to be worried about. Nobody’s doing Twitter freak out or threads freak out. They’re like, it’s gonna happen. Let’s worry about Brock Purdy and make up some drama about how Trey Lance looks better than him throwing the ball in warmup.
Tim Cashman: I, will say that just shifting subjects real quick and is that I, actually suspected were we gonna see some kind of quarterback controversy coming into this into this training camp with. Purdy’s injury and trailing is maybe making a name for himself. We have not, it’s Purdy’s team.
John Cashman: Just talking heads, making stuff up. That’s you. Grant Cohn, Eric Crocker, Kawakami, all you got, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Listen to me. Anyway. So that brings me to a fun training camp story. So I never played football growing up except in the street. Brian, did you play football at all?
Like did you ever put the pads on?
Brian Caynan: Not at all. I’m a runner today, so it doesn’t, it does, it’s not gonna work for me.
John Cashman: So that leaves us with, Uncle Tim? With Tim. So Uncle Tim.
Tim Cashman: Well,
John Cashman: I’ve told the story to my daughters a few times, so it
So long time ago, Tim went to football camp and there was this awesome camp. It was at Santa Clara University called Offense Defense Camp, and it was Tim’s kind of first exposure about putting the pads on.
So they had pros who would come to the camp and do some demos, and Tim got to meet one of his heroes and frankly, one of my heroes too. And probably Brian’s too. It is Ronnie Lott. So Tim, you wanna tell us about Ronnie Lott and Lester Hayes?
Tim Cashman: Well, I think with Ronnie Lott I was eating breakfast and Ronnie comes down and he sits down at the same table as me and several other people.
And I just immediately, everything, just like time just stopped. ’cause I’m looking at Ronnie Lott who’s sitting like, just a few seats down from me and he starts talking, like asking people where they’re from. I even, I forget what I even had for breakfast ’cause I was just glaring like, that’s Ronnie Lott.
That’s him. He’s sitting there. He actually eats, he eats hash browns, eats a lot of hash browns. I never knew players did that. I never knew they breathe the same air that I did. So I was very much in awe. But so yeah, so fast forward we would have practices twice a day. And Lester Hayes long time cornerback for for the Raiders, both Oakland and LA and he’s out there coaching us.
And I was playing linebacker at the time and we were getting up, we were doing drills. And one of the kids that I was with was just kind of goofing off. He was just not paying attention. He was kind of like pushing the other kids and elbowing and just kind of just being that, sort of a kid that you gotta straighten out.
And so Lester is like, Hey, you 14 or whatever number he says, come here, lemme show you something. Kid comes over, he’s like, get in a football stance. Kid gets in a football stance. Lester Hayes takes both his hands and just goes, boom. And I mean, hits this kid. And the kid just goes flying backwards and everybody got real quiet now.
This is was in 1988, 1989, if it was today, it would be all over Twitter. And Lester Hayes would’ve been picked up for assaulting a minor or something like that, but we didn’t have that back then. So we line up and I’m in my stance, and Lester Hayes comes right behind me.
I can feel him behind me. I can feel him breathing on my neck. He’s so close and I’m like, he’s going to kill me. He’s going to kill me, and my life will be over. Lester Hayes grabs me by my shoulder pads, but those shoulders, and he just shakes me. He’s like, loosen up, man.
John Cashman: So speaking of. And this is one of the things so far, let’s, we gotta knock on wood, whatever wood’s around, let’s just knock on it. But the Niners have not had an injury so far. And you look at what’s already happening in Cincinnati and Joe Burrow’s already out for a whole bunch of weeks. ’cause he’s got a calf strain, which if you’re out for a while, it ain’t just a strain that something’s wrong.
Yeah. And so far, not much has happened. And that’s right now to me, is the biggest danger of these training camps is like, you can’t have these guys get hurt. Can, we stop talking? You
Tim Cashman: I feel like we’re pushing the envelope just talking about it.
John Cashman: Yeah. I don’t wanna be the guy’s, like we just talked about nobody getting hurt and then we post this and like somebody gets hurt.
Like what did Niners Talk do?
Tim Cashman: I would put all the blame on you, John. I would immediately just put all the blame on you and step aside and say, and point at you and say he’s the reason.
Brian Caynan: But yeah, you’re like watching, you’re like watching a basketball game and you’re talking about the guy not missing free throws and then he misses his free throw.
John Cashman: But other than that It’s interesting to watch now because it’s very different than when, we were growing up, they’ve got those helmets the Darth Helmet the, guy like from Spaceballs, like they have those big helmets on now
Tim Cashman: Darth helmets.
John Cashman: Yes, exactly. And obviously they’re not doing two a days and things like that, but that to me is really the thing.
So other than that is any other stuff, I mean, it’s hard to tell sometimes, like. What may be happening in training camp, but have you heard anything that you’re like I don’t know, man.
Tim Cashman: I haven’t heard anything that has caused me to go I’m not sure about this. I think so far the news has been pretty positive out of the Niners camp thus far.
At the same time, I think we also need to take this with a grain of salt because they’re not lining up, they’re not playing games yet. We haven’t seen Brock Purdy throw a pass against an opposing defense just yet, and I remember. A few 2019, there was real concern over how Garoppolo was gonna fare after coming back from ACL surgery, first preseason game against the Broncos.
He doesn’t do well and social media explodes. Like he’s, gonna be the worst thing ever and Niner’s gonna need to do quarterback shopping. It just snowballs. And I’m sitting going it’s a preseason game. Nobody’s gonna remember this one. Well, I remember it, but yeah. I’t just, I think it’s, I’m happy to hear the positive news, but at the same time we’re at practice.
John Cashman: Brian, has anybody in the local media had anything like, oh boy. Like, I don’t know.
Brian Caynan: The only thing that I’ve ever kind of read is on on KNBR is Braden Willis, I guess one of the new draft picks this year. He is doing pretty good and h definitely sounds like he’s out playing.
One of their other draft picks, Cameron, was it Cameron Latu? So, oh, from tight end. Yeah. Yeah. For the tight end spot. But other than that I, don’t think there’s really anything else that I’ve kind of said, heard that you haven’t brought up yet.
John Cashman: Another positive that I have heard and this pairs with someone who I haven’t is Ty Davis Price apparently has been having a great camp.
But we haven’t heard Jordan Mason’s name. And when we did the offensive preview, we talked a lot about, we thought Jordan Mason was gonna be the backup, but it just seems odd. I haven’t heard Jordan Mason’s name at all.
Tim Cashman: No you, haven’t but that, I mean we, know what we see from Twitter and from articles and news just because we’re not hearing about him doesn’t mean necessarily that he’s not performing well. Maybe just the reporters just haven’t seen him. Again I think we have to take this for what it is practice. We’re excited that training camp’s back, but it is practice.
And I don’t know of any of the seasons watching the 49ers where in week six against the Rams, we’ve looked back and say that second practice on a Tuesday that really foretold how we were gonna perform against the Rams defense and Patrick Ramsey.
John Cashman: That’s true. Brian, anybody else that you’ve heard about?
Brian Caynan: Let’s see. Oh, I was reading on KNBR today. I saw that Jalen Herd, our old former wide receiver is with the Pats. He officially retired, so he did. I don’t think he ever, I don’t think he ever really played. Right.
John Cashman: He never played anywhere. Well, he only did preseason. Yeah. His back was never able to handle it.
Anyway, and in an alternate universe, Jalen Heard would’ve been awesome. I’m sorry. It would’ve been awesome, but also in an alternate universe. Tim had Chat GPT write a story about the 49ers, which was a little weird.
Tim Cashman: Spooky at the same time. It was the 49ers in an alternate universe.
Actually it wasn’t quite Chat GPT, Microsoft has this new tool based on Chat GPT’s technology called Copilot. So you take it and you can put into a PowerPoint, or in my case, a Word document and open up a Word document and Copilot says, what do you wanna write about?
So I write verbatim:
Write me a story about the San Francisco 49ers
And it starts and I start reading about Jimmy Garoppolo, how Jimmy Garoppolo was not traded from the Patriots. He was picked up as a free agent. And how Colin Kaepernick under Kyle Shanahan’s tutelage became an all-pro quarterback. And all of a sudden I realized this is not the same dimension of the 49ers that I’ve been watching the these past several years.
We’re in a new dimension here, but the story went that Kaepernick in 2019 took the 49ers to the playoffs, but then he gets hurt and Jimmy Garoppolo the free agent, steps in, performs wonders in the playoffs and takes the 49ers to the Super Bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs. Again, alternate universe, the 49ers they go down 14, nothing.
But then Garoppolo has this wonderful connection with Kendrick Borne. The two, just start feeding off each other, the Niners rally to tie the game. Then the defense steps up and the Niners are down 31-27 with two minutes to go and Garoppolo leads them down the field for the game winning drive and the 49ers win the Super Bowl against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs for their six Super Bowl title.
So in the third dimension of NFL football, the 49ers would’ve had their sixth Super Bowl title, but I think so close it’s two things. Yeah, two one is that I think Copilot andChat GPT need to get their facts straight. And secondly the story was very well written, but it just made me sad because we all know how the Super Bowl against Chiefs ended up.
Why are you toying with my emotions?
John Cashman: Speaking of points. Because there’s only so much you can talk about with training ramps. Have you guys seen Quarterback at all?
Tim Cashman: I have not. I have not either. Based on your reviews, John. I don’t think I want to.
John Cashman: Okay. There’s certain points the Niners fans need to avoid, but the first 15 minutes, but it’s actually quite good.
Yeah. Kirk Cousins comes across as really, interesting. Another point that’s been coming up quite a bit, and we’ve been fortunate in how Kyle and Lynch have managed the team, but we’ve been bitten by it before, is how running backs are paid.
So being on the East Coast, the news has been about all about Saquon Barkley he signed kind of an eh deal with the franchise tag. Maybe he got a little bit more. Josh Jacobs hasn’t been signed yet. But really it’s kind of one of those things like I, for me, I think the running backs are vastly underpaid.
We’re lucky that Christian McCaffery is signed for a while. The Panthers actually had the foresight to sign him, as a quasi running back wide receiver. Same with Deebo. But these guys, I mean, Saquon Barkley makes up 40% of the New York Giants offense. Like, why wouldn’t you pay that guy? Like, why would you let him go?
And Brian, thoughts on just like how the running backs, ’cause we had this with Raheem
Brian Caynan: You look at it and this is probably something we can talk about in a fantasy, eppo fantasy episode, a fantasy football with this. But like running backs, and I’m not talking about like injury.
I don’t wanna like jinx anything for Josh Jacobs or. Saquon or C M C, but , they honestly only have like about two or three good years. And then unfortunately they get hurt. And I, just think back to we’ve been watching football for a long time. I think about , was it Steven Davis?
That guy who was on, the Redskins or the Commanders like 20 years ago Priest Holmes who was on Kansas City. Those guys were unstoppable. But then but they were only unstoppable for maybe two seasons. And then they got a knee injury or they got like an ankle injury and then they always get hurt.
I know that it’s, tough to say, but I think that position in itself, you take the most beating, I think other than the quarterback you get the most, you get hit the most.
Tim Cashman: yeah. Tim? Yeah, I think the, position has definitely changed dramatically since the days of Walter Peyton, Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith where year in and year out that was your, workhorse.
I think the position has changed. Look at the running backs that the 49ers have had since Kyle Shanahan came in. We had Carlos Hyde, and then we went to, who was it? It was then, it was Tevin Coleman and Matt Breida, and then Raheem Mossert and moving on.
Then we’ve got Elijah, then we have Christian McCaffrey. So. I think Shanahan in particular has always done a sort of a running back by committee now that CMC has come in. I think that will probably change a bit, but the position has definitely evolved so that you’ve got multiple people you can put in the backfield that don’t have to be that every down back.
I think that’s just how the game has changed. Maybe another example would be McKinnon of the Chiefs. He comes in on certain plays, certain situations, but he doesn’t, he isn’t that every, down back that’s gonna take that kind of pounding. So I just think the game has evolved.
I, think that’s kind of the more of the Kyle Shanahan maybe Kansas City offense type approach to the game. So, I think you, what you’re able to do, I mean are, running backs underpaid? Yeah. Probably at the same time you’re using a running back by committee so you don’t have to commit those amount of resources under your salary cap to one particular person.
John Cashman: Yeah. I just think for certain people, Like Saquon. And Josh Jacobs, they’re screwed by the franchise tag. And to me, one of the things that if you were the NFLPA is you need to be able to change it so that if you’re using these guys and they’re getting 40% of your offense, your franchise tag should go up as pro rata.
Like you shouldn’t get 11 million, you should get 15 million. And it’s like the, bottom’s 11, but if you’re being used up, here’s 15. And I think that’s just one of those things, they just didn’t get this right in the collective bargaining agreement. So, and the week ahead we’re getting into closer to actual preseason.
We’ve got about two weeks until our first preseason game,
Tim Cashman: August 13th.
John Cashman: I believe the Niners are going to be doing joint practices pretty soon with the Raiders.
Tim Cashman: Wiith a certain former quarterback, with a certain former quarterback.
John Cashman: So, Brian in the weeks ahead, what would you like to see or hear from our 49ers?
Brian Caynan: I just wanna hear no one gets hurt. So that’s first and foremost, no one gets hurt. And then I, guess I would love to see that Brock Purdy is back, and it sounds like, from what I’m reading today he’s, very close to it. Everyone’s kind of clicking on all cylinders and everyone’s ready to go.
And I wanna see Nick Bosa back. That’s also my point number two. So, Tim?
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I completely agree with Brian. No injuries Purdy I would be reluctant to even play him in the preseason if, anything, maybe a series, but what, is the point of putting him in there? So, yeah, just the team continues to develop.
They continue to gel as a team so that by first Sunday in September, or whenever that date is against the Steelers, they’re ready to go.
John Cashman: I kind of wanna see more rookies step up. I’ve heard some decent stuff about obviously our new safety but I’d like to hear a little bit more.
And then last but not least, this came across today. It is Tuesday, which means it’s Taco Tuesday. We signed our defensive end Taco. Whatever his last name is
Tim Cashman:. What are the, odds exactly.
John Cashman: That’s why Taco is gonna be us. It’s Taco Tuesday. We’re doing this podcast. All right. So do you think they signed him just ’cause they, found a guy that works with him?
Or do they think that maybe Drake Jackson’s not. Maybe the guy, Tim?
Tim Cashman: No I don’t think that’s the case. I think DL with Bosa being out is a little thin right now, so I think he’s just, he’s coming to fill a role. I, don’t know if he’s gonna be able to last the whole training camp, but on this particular Tuesday, taco Tuesday I, think it’s coincidence.
I don’t think it’s Anything more than that
John Cashman: Nobody on Twitter has actually said that. Not even Kawakami
Tim Cashman: You should start it. You should start, seeing if you get any get, the hashtag going and see, how much it goes.
John Cashman: What if Taco gets mad at me?
Tim Cashman: Well, you’re on a podcast. I think a lot of people are gonna get mad at you for this or that. I mean, we’ve got plenty of time to make people angry at you.
John Cashman: Brian, what do you think of Taco Tuesday?
Brian Caynan: As Tim was saying, I think it’s always fine to have more defensive linemen.
I think there’s no hurt in it. And Tim brings up the point about Bosa and not being there. I think it’s absolutely fine about Taco Tuesday itself. That’s what I’m actually making for dinner right after this.
John Cashman: It, is Taco Charlton.
Tim Cashman: There you go.
John Cashman: But I, really, I think the niners really should have done more around Taco Tuesday for the signing.
Tim Cashman: I’d just rather they focus on Purdy’s recovery, Trey Lance’s short passing game, things like that than Taco Tuesday.
But that’s just me.
John Cashman: Okay. So that brings us to a couple things that we’re gonna end the episode with, I believe, Brian, you have some trivia for us.
Brian Caynan: Yeah. So let’s try something new this week. I’m gonna take out four questions and I’m gonna quiz both you guys. We can talk about ’em now, but I’ll give you the answers at the end of the show.
So right before we end, so you guys can, sounds good. Chat amongst yourselves, try to figure it out. Okay. So let’s start first. Okay. Let’s give this a shot and then we can see if we wanna add more questions or take out questions in the future. First one is, or have our
John Cashman: Or email us questions a john@ninerstalk.com
Do it now. No dick pics.
Brian Caynan: Okay, first one is as training camp started and they’re playing in Santa Clara at the SAP facility. Prior to them playing.
There are seven schools which the Niners have used as practice facilities for pre-season.
Can you name four of the seven?
Tim Cashman: So the question is the 49ers have been practicing in Santa Clara the past few years, and what are the four schools that the 49ers have used in previous training camps? Is that the question? And I have to name four of the seven.
Brian Caynan: They practiced at seven.
Tim Cashman: Name four of the seven. Alright. Sierra Community College. That was Rockland, University of Pacific that was over in Stockton. Santa Clara University and UCSanta Barbara. That’s four. Okay. John, what about you? Oh and St. Mary’s College over in the East Bay.
John Cashman: Yeah, whatever Tim said I’m like maybe they practice at College of Marin one day.
Oh, but College of Marin, that’s my guess. College of Marin. Alright, what’s your second question, Brian?
Brian Caynan: Which, speaking of colleges, Which college did Bill Walsh go to and what, which colleges did he go to and what position for bonus did he play?
John Cashman: I think he was to San Jose State and he played Quarterback.
Tim Cashman: Tim, I’ll say San Jose State, and he was a wide receiver.
Okay. Okay. All right.
Brian Caynan: Third question. Third question. Ownership group. . So as right now, the ownership group is technically still part of the the York family. Now I know it’s not De Barlow, York, previously De Barlow, York. So it’s technically the De Bartolo family.
What was the name of the family that owned the Niners prior to Debartalo?
Tim Cashman: The Morobido family.
John Cashman: I don’t know. Family. We go with the, I don’t know, family. Okay.
Brian Caynan: Last question. Tim’s gonna know this one right off the bat. What is the name of the quarterback that Joe Montana took over for in week seven.
What is it? The 1980 season and
Tim Cashman: 1979 Steve DeBerg
Brian Caynan: And what college did Steve Deberg go to?
John Cashman: I’m still getting over Morobido. I’m like, do they own funeral parlors across the United States?
Tim Cashman: No. He was in the lumber business.
John Cashman: That, how does that do with college?
Brian Caynan: Oh, no, he’s talking about question
Tim Cashman: What business were the Morobido in? I believe he was in a lumber business.
John Cashman: It’s way more interesting if he’s in funeral parlors. Steve DeBerg’s college? I wanna say University of Oregon.
Tim Cashman: I don’t think it was that. It was something, I don’t know. I don’t know it. Steve Berg’s College. Okay.
John Cashman: Do you think anybody has a Steve DeBerg tattoo on their back?
Tim Cashman: I maybe Mrs. DeBerg?
Brian Caynan: Tim, what number? What number was Steve DeBerg?
Tim Cashman: 17. Oh man
John Cashman: Not retired, by the way.
Alright. So we’ll get to my favorite, one of my favorite parts is stuff we bought on Amazon this week, and if you’re looking on the website, You can click on it and buy it and put a few bucks in our pockets so we can keep doing this podcast. But Tim Direct from Orlando, what’d you buy on Amazon this week?
Tim Cashman: We bought thanks to Wirecutter in the New York Times, the best hot water kettle on the market.
John Cashman: Does it is it meeting your standards?
Tim Cashman: Middle of the summer? Absolutely not. But come winter, I’m sure it will.
John Cashman: Anything else? Just a hot water kettle.
Tim Cashman: Cat food. Fancy feast. Gravy. That’s what my cat likes.
What? No gravy. Yeah. Seriously. I mean, she’s a rescue and she will not eat any dry food and she will not eat just any canned cat food. It has to be seafood gravy from fancy feast. So there you go. Fancy feast and a kettle. You got it. Anything else? No, that’s it. Alright. Mr. Brian.
Brian Caynan: Oh, I have bought nothing on Amazon this week.
I do have on my list, I need to buy something. I need to buy a hat cleaner so I know that I always wear hats. All the time, especially on the the brims underneath, they get super dirty. I was just looking at that earlier today.
John Cashman: There’s this thing called a sink. You just run under water.
Brian Caynan: I don’t know. I have, I wanna buy something that clean it.
John Cashman: Look at this bad boy. I mean, clean. Cleaned by my own two hands. So that’s what else? Nothing got a hat cleaner on the wishlist.
Brian Caynan: I know you guys have young kids too. My daughter asked for a bracelet so she can wear her air tag that I put into her backpack, so I don’t know if you guys do that too
John Cashman: So you’re lojacking your daughter, but you’re lojacking her out in the open? Yes, essentially. Okay, good. Just wanna make sure.
Tim Cashman: Well, I’m anxious to hear how we did on the questions.
John Cashman: Well, don’t you wanna hear what I bought on Amazon this week?
Tim Cashman: Oh yeah, We can get to, you’ll go, for it.
Sorry.
John Cashman: Well I, bought this handy, dandy, new microphone like we all did. So the Blue Yeti microphone, which hopefully everybody hears is a little bit better. And then both my daughters swim, so they had tryouts and we got Yeti Microphone
