John Cashman: What’s happening everybody? It’s John coming to you live from the Homestead Resort in Hot Springs, Virginia. I’m on vacation, but Niners Talk never goes on vacation. I’m joined by my brother Tim. My brother from another brother. Brian. What’s happening everyone?
How you feeling?
Tim Cashman: I think I should know that Niners talk never goes on vacation because this is the first time I’ve been home in like three weeks to do the podcast. I’m right there with you, John. I, I feel your pain of tracking a laptop and a microphone all over the country.
John Cashman: Yes, Brian, how you feeling?
Brian Caynan: I am doing good, getting ready for vacation myself, so looking forward to it. Looking forward to this week. . Tomorrow’s my last day at work.
John Cashman: Nice. So. All right.
Well, nothing like the last day at work. So, uh, if you’re listening, if you would be so kind to leave us a review, give us a, like, follow us on Spotify podcast or, Amazon. But I think what we’re today’s topic is we’re going to talk about the game, quote unquote, that happened in Las Vegas and what we hope to see, in the Broncos game on Saturday. First off, Tim, is it time to panic?
Tim Cashman: It is absolutely time to panic. If you look at social media you read the tweets, we might as well just pack up the season now. So, but yeah, the 49ers did not make many believers out of any, anyone after a 34 – 7 loss by the Las Vegas Raiders. But I think let’s get a little dose of perspective before we go and dissect the game.
And, and that is, How much do you think we’ll be talking about this game three or four weeks from now? We probably, we probably won’t be. That’s the hint. Second thing is, I looked at the Raiders preseason record last year. They went 4-0 just goes to show you that. And I also looked up the 49ers, I think it was their 2016, record and they were 4-0 in the preseason. I think under, Chip Kelly, might’ve been 2017, I can’t remember. And we went 2-14. So let’s just keep things in perspective. It’s a preseason game.
John Cashman: Cool. Brian, how you feeling about the, game in Vegas?
Brian Caynan: I am not panicking, I am just going with the flow. It was just a preseason game. I’m on. I’m agreeing with Tim on this one.
John Cashman: It was,
Brian Caynan: It was just a preseason game and nothing else. they just didn’t bring intensity just from my initial thoughts, and that’s something they’ll have to correct this weekend coming up.
John Cashman: So my panic meter is at the point where the Titanic hit the iceberg.
Brian Caynan: What?
John Cashman: I’m still okay with it.
The ship’s like afloat still.
Tim Cashman: All right,
John Cashman: But there’s a little sense of doom around the ship. Now maybe things aren’t so bad below the waterline of the Titanic, but then maybe they are. So I was really, I’ll be honest, I was really disappointed. I was hoping for a little bit more from the Niners as a team, but granted they had some pretty hard practices, the two days before and a very long week being away from home.
So I get it. I know it’s not time to panic, I would’ve liked to have seen a little bit more. You know, but out of everyone who seems to be panicking or creating alternative narratives, this week’s award, Goes to Grant Cohn. So Tim, what is old grant up to these days on the old Twitter verse?
Tim Cashman: We have talked about this many times he will post something on Twitter and I usually just roll my eyes. So this week, the tweet that, Mr. Cohn put out was that, If Trey Lance had played well in this game there would be a lot of pressure apparently.
That’s what I’m inferring that, , he would have to start, he would start in week one and Shanahan his words, can’t let that happen. I don’t know why. If a quarterback’s playing, well, I think you start ’em, that’s kind of just how I think flows. so he called
John Cashman: Uh, so.
Tim Cashman: Apparently that was not to Lance’s strength.
Again, I’m inferring that and. This was not the typical 49er offense. First of all, I think, you know, we have enough conspiracy theories, going out there in society right now. We don’t need one more, going into the NFL. So my response to Mr. Cohn is, you know, do you think we also fake the moon landings as Elvis still alive and is the Earth flat?
I probably spend another several minutes of me talking about the background and the psychology of Mr. Cohn, but that would probably waste valuable listening time. So they would say to our listeners, you want a good chuckle, you want to feel superior, go check out his tweets. Respond, you’ll feel better.
Brian Caynan: Remind us, Tim, where, who does he write for
Tim Cashman: last I heard he wrote Santa Rosa Press Democrat.
Brian Caynan: Got it.
Tim Cashman: Certainly not writing for the New York Times. I’ll just put it that way.
John Cashman: Or the Athletic
Tim Cashman: Granted, we’re not writing for the New York Times ourselves, so you know
John Cashman: In some ways I feel bad for Grant Cohn because his dad was a much better writer. His Dad was Lowell Cohn who wrote for the Chronicle for years.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: Anyway, but you know, he does bring up a good point , there was obviously the first comparison that we could see in a game situation of Trey Lance versus Sam Darnold.
And my initial reaction when I watched the game was Lance just looked like he was a beat off. He just didn’t look like he was ready to pull the trigger, on some of these plays. And then you watched, Sam Darnold come in. He was very decisive. You watched Aiden O’Connell from the Raiders. Very decisive. look, boom out, what were your initials impressions of Lance versus Donald?
Brian Caynan: You know, initially I’ll be honest, I didn’t watch a lot of the game. I had some stuff happening at the same time, but I did watch some of it live.
He looked a little rushed. He looked like the type of person,
Who needs a little bit more playing time just to get some more practice.
He only played what, one year of college. And then, then the pandemic hit. So to the casual eye, as, someone like myself, I’m thinking he probably needs to just get in more game situations, practice situations, game situations to feel more comfortable.
On the other hand, other quarterback, O’Connell darn good for the Raiders. So from what I could see,
John Cashman: Yeah, he looked, he looked great.
I was like, who is this guy? Tim?
Tim Cashman: Well, I, I think if you had not watched the game, if you had looked at Trey Lance’s numbers, he was 10 of 15, 112 yards and a touchdown. And if you didn’t watch the game, you’d think, Hey, great game. But. He was sacked four times. I want to say at
I wanna say at least two of those, maybe three plays that frankly shoulda gotten the out a lot sooner.
Tim Cashman: Offensive line wasn’t doing him many favors, but there were some balls that he threw that I would wince at because. They either seemed rushed or he was throwing into coverage.
We can go back to that touchdown where the defensive, he’s rolling to his left, he thinks he has a window, he tries to thread the needle and I see the defensive back come out the corner of my eye.
And I went, oh boy. And I immediately thought very fortunate missed interception and right into Dwelley’s hands. The touchdown, but say now, there’s any conversation into the number one spot that obviously Brock Purdy’s.
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Tim Cashman: I see Darnold. Little bit. I’m sure we’ll get to him his performance in the second half. But no, Trey Lance did not make any believers out of, I think anyone who watched that game. I will say that the player that I was actually a little bit more disappointing than Trey Lance was Jake Moody. After hearing so many things about him in camp, two missed field goals, one at the end of the first half, and one, in the second half as well. I mean, it was a hook and it was a slice. So he, we, that’s, that’s the one, that’s the position that I would’ve expected a better performance, but he is a rookie and it’s only pre season.
So keep that in perspective.
Brian Caynan: That first kick of his was a 58 yarder. I know he’s been hitting them in practice,
In a game situation. Yeah. That happened.
John Cashman: On this podcast, I’ve been a huge Jake Moody, proponent because, you know, he’s a rookie. He could be the next Justin Tucker, but, you gotta hit them. What I did see from Moody, which was good, is he was very good at placing kickoffs into corners.
However, we did not draft him to kick off into corners , we, we drafted him to kick between the, those big, that big yellow H
Tim Cashman: Mm-hmm.
John Cashman: As they said in Coming to America. So I’m really hoping that it was just one of those, Hey, it’s my first NFL game. I’m nervous. I am not sure I have kicked in Vegas. don’t have my routine down yet, whatever.
But, we’ll see, at the very least, we still have Zane Gonzalez , and Robbie Gould is still out there, looking for a job. So, you know, the Niners do have options, but yeah, that was really disappointing. But Tim, getting back to the quarterback situation, what did you think of, of Sam Darnold?
Tim Cashman: I thought he just looked a lot more comfortable in the pocket.
He was getting the ball out a lot quicker. He was doing some three step drops and perhaps Shanahan mixed up the play, calling a little bit more to suit Donald. Maybe he wanted to see how. Lance was going to, he wanted to see Lance use his legs to try to escape and make something happen, which is something that I always like in a quarterback. But he did come into the third quarter at that point, you know, the Raiders were playing their third stringers, you know, they’re the people who are on the bubble.
So have to take that into consideration. But I will say the pass that impressed me the most from Donald was when he hit Bell for I think 30 yard right down.
So it was a beautiful pass that he threw there. So, I think from watching him drop back, he’s a lot more mobile than I would’ve guessed. So, that’s another thing, uh, to consider. I wouldn’t be surprised we see maybe the, the switcheroo and Darnold go ahead,of Lance and we’ll see, uh, what the story is there.
John Cashman: Yeah,
I just thought he just looked a lot more poised. He looked like he knew where to go with the ball. He knew what he wanted and I thought, yeah, I thought the play to Ronnie Bell down the sidelines was fantastic. , but I wouldn’t be surprised if, if Shanahan gives Trey one more chance at the ones
But let’s get to some other players, yeah, you mentioned Ronnie Bell. He was a great standout. He was decisive. He had that nice end around, he had the great catch. I honestly think the interception, that he had was kind of one of those like,
Tim Cashman: His hands.
John Cashman: Yeah, it was of those like.
We’ve seen receivers do that. It just happens. You know, didn’t wear the right gloves, you know, but I was really impressed with him. But I will tell you who I was impressed with, who I didn’t even really even know about until I watched was Deshaun Jameson from Texas. And you know how there’s guys who are punt returners who just have a nose for finding open spots, and I can think of guys who played for the Niners, like Ted Ginn Jr. and Ricky James. I think Deshaun Jameson has that nose
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: For punt returns and kicker. He looked great.
Tim Cashman: He did. and I think at least two of his returns were nullified by penalties. But you know, we’re not looking at the penalties. I mean, obviously you don’t want them, but just thought, you know, my negating those, he had some great returns and even you could just see how, how smooth he is on his feet.
He just has a lot of quickness to him. But we’re leaving out Brian, and I do want to get his thoughts on the matter as well.
John Cashman: Yeah. Brian, who stood out? I was just about to segue over, but Tim segued faster.
Brian Caynan: I did see the ball through the hands of Ronnie Bell. He was trying to catch it over, his head and, I saw that, I’ve heard . Just Deshaun. Jameson, Yes. As you’ve said, I did see Ambry Thomas make some good plays here or there.
I think he had a really good tackle.
Tim Cashman: Yes.
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Brian Caynan: Let’s see. You guys maybe can talk about Fumagali.
John Cashman: First of all, that’s like the greatest tight end name ever. FFumagali.
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: I mean you can’t be anything but either an offensive lineman or a tight end with Fumagali as your last
Yes,Fumagali I thought was, was very good. Caught a lot of passes, looked like he was knowing you know, where to go.
Was downfield a lot blocking? , I was pretty impressed but yes on Ambry Thomas. Looked like player. Very sure of himself throwing his body around.
Had a nice breakup pass, he really stood out. And then my last one, that stood out for me was, Brown, the new safety.
In the first half just a great tackle down by the goal line that kept the guy out. You know, again, obviously kind of knew where he was. but yeah, I thought those for me were just some of the standouts that I saw that just kind of jumped out on, on screen. And anyone else that you can think of that that really stood out in the game?
Tim Cashman: I think we’ve covered most of them. I maybe Womack a little bit. I thought he had a couple of nice plays, in the first half for tackles. Yeah, I think, you know, those are the things that, that stood out to me the most. I was a little disappointed in the offensive line play. wanted to see a little bit from Jevon Kinlaw. I thought he was getting up way too high on his blocks, and a couple times he pursued plays, which allowed the Raiders running game to gash the Niners defense, basically. So that was some other things, that stood out to me. But again, you know, four sacks, multiple turnovers, several penalties. So it was preseason football.
John Cashman: Yeah, I think that just brings us to just the stuff that unfortunately stood out because it was bad.
Tim Cashman: Actually, one guy I liked he’s a rookie linebacker, uh, Dee winters.
John Cashman: mm-hmm.
Tim Cashman: I thought I saw a couple of plays where he was really covering sideline to sideline really well. So I think he’s a work in progress. You know, at this point maybe makes the squad.
But I saw some speed in that kid and, uh, he could be some, he’s gonna be somebody I’m gonna keep an eye on in the Broncos game.
John Cashman: Cool. Brian, anything that stood out to you that you’re just like meh?
Brian Caynan: Just from watching the game, I saw Ty Davis Price get a couple carries.
No, I was actually thinking about the, just the lack of the, energy. I think Tim, you were just talking about that.
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Brian Caynan: You could definitely see it.
I don’t know if they were just because they were practicing and somewhere it was really warm.
Or maybe they wanted to just of take it easy on this first game.
That’s probably something that’ll probably be corrected, obviously, when they’re playing Denver at home next weekend.
But yeah. that’s stood out to me as being just of a huge lack of energy.
John Cashman: Yeah, I mean, for me it was really the offensive line that was the only thing that was concerning because the lack of depth, know, they didn’t have really anybody in there who was a starter, but, you know, don’t wanna have anybody go down and then just, yeah, it just looked like they were just like, came out flat.
You know, it’ll, it’ll be redemption time. But before we get to our Broncos previews. Brian, time for Niners trivia. What do you got for us this week?
Brian Caynan: All right, here we go the Niners are gonna be playing the Broncos, as we said this weekend.
The quarterback was the starter
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Brian Caynan: Before John Elway. And who was the starter after John Elway? Who did John Elway take over for? And who did he pass the reins to?
John Cashman: I wanna say Jake Plummer before, I can’t remember. I wanna say it’s not Gary Kubiak. And it’s definitely not Craig Morton, but Tim knows the answer, so we’ll just go with what Tim is. Tim says
Tim Cashman: So the quarterback before John Elway was Steve DeBerg. That’ll be my answer. And the quarterback after John Elway was Brian Greasie.
Brian Caynan: Okay.
John Cashman: Oh, that’s a good one.
Brian Caynan: All right, let’s move on. Question number two. Which team and which sport than football drafted? John Elway. And bonus points, if you can name a position.
John Cashman: New York Yankees and baseball and he was a pitcher.
Tim Cashman: I will go with the same answer as John.
Brian Caynan: Okay. next question. What team did Mike Shanahan previously serve as a head coach prior to serving as a head coach for Denver?
John Cashman: so this is a tricky one because I think it’s the Los Angeles Raiders, not the Oakland Raiders.
Brian Caynan: Tim?
Tim Cashman: It was the LA Raiders.
Brian Caynan: Okay, last question talking about the Shanahan’s, what college did Kyle Shanahan go to? Our fearless head coach. What position did he play?
John Cashman: He went the University of Texas and he was a wide receiver and his first job was with John Gruden in Tampa Bay as some kind of, you know, made up title . I don’t even know. Intern Boy.
Tim Cashman: I don’t know the answer. I will defer to John on that one. I do wanna wonder if I could go back and maybe change my answer to question one. I said Steve DeBerg, I’m gonna go ahead and say Craig Morton instead.
Brian Caynan: Okay.
Check.
John Cashman: Oh,
Brian Caynan: Got it.
Tim Cashman: But Steve de Berg was on that 82 team.
Brian Caynan: Okay.
John Cashman: There you go. Steve Deburg was all over the place. How long did he play? For like 400 years.
Tim Cashman: He could still sure he’s probably in some league, in a, uh, in a senior citizen’s home somewhere.
John Cashman: He has a big tattoo of Steve Berg on his back, so let’s talk redemption time. So Bronco’s
preview, what do we wanna see this week? Brian?
Brian Caynan: Well, based on the notes here, I would definitely wanna see just some more placement kicks for Jake Moody. I know he made the PAT, he got that, but just get him in a range. Maybe make a 30 yarder, a 20 yarder, a 40 yarder. Just keep him short and just keep him busy. I’d love to see something like that.
And then I also probably talked about this, but a little bit more energy from the whole team, and I’m sure they’re gonna bring that because they were slightly embarrassed. On that national game, even though it was preseason.
John Cashman: Do we know if there are gonna be more starters in this one, or is that the next game?
Tim Cashman: Well, we’re now playing three preseason games as opposed to four a couple of years ago. Typically, the third preseason game was your dress rehearsal.
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Tim Cashman: This will be the dress rehearsal for the 49ers. So I imagine we will see Purdy, at least for a series, maybe two. We might see a few more starters, but nothing is going to put them in the harms way. , because if there was a silver lining from the Raiders game , and let’s continue this trend, we did not have any major injuries, uh, coming out of that game. So, so that’s a plus.
So you know, what am I looking for at the Broncos game?
I’ll echo what Brian just said. Maybe a little more crispness, a little more enthusiasm. Maybe another, a couple of nice drives to some plays. You kinda go, Ooh, that was a nice one. I can see how that could develop,
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Tim Cashman: Just an improvement, on the first week’s loss to the Raiders.
John Cashman: I think I just really wanna see Jake Moody hit some, because we don’t want him to be the guy who the Niners drafted the kicker who has the yips. like, just put that behind that, stop that narrative, plus he’s gonna have to kick in a game winning situation at some point. So yeah, might as well try it now. Honestly, as much as I have doubted him, I would actually like to see Trey Lance go out and have a decent game, just because I feel like the kid deserves, like good game, just like, it just all of a sudden clicks for him and he just goes out there and looks decent.
And then the only other one that was a little bit of a disappointment in the Raiders game for me is Cameron Latu, he caught a catch and he turned up feeling he was dragging people along. Then he fumbled the ball. So I’d kinda like to see him step up a bit, but he looks like he’s gonna be a bit of a project, so he may be, you know, practice squad material.
But I think just seeing a little bit more pep in their step. It’s still early, you know, the Titanic just hit the iceberg. Nothing’s wrong.
We will be fine.
Tim Cashman: I could, I could go off on this analogy so much. I almost want to ask you, who’s gonna be the Leonardo DiCaprio who, you know, takes the Niners and puts the team on the door, you know, so
John Cashman: Jimmy G already got off the boat, so, but yeah I’m just looking, I’m looking forward to seeing a better version of what I saw last week ’cause it wasn’t good, so anyway, Brian, you wanna give us the answers?
Brian Caynan: Okay. Number one name the two quarterbacks to start before John Elway and after 1982, the main starter was Steve DeBerg, that strike shortened year. So it was Steve Berg.
Tim Cashman: Ah.
Brian Caynan: 1999. Yes, Tim. It was Brian Greasie. So Niners quarterback coach today.
Number two which team, other than football drafted was John Elway drafted?
It was the New York Yankees in 1981. And, he was drafted for two positions, center field, and pitcher.
He was drafted six spots ahead of Tony Gwynn, so yeah.
Tim Cashman: No kidding.
Brian Caynan: Number three,
The LA Raiders, 1988 and 89, and he got fired for Art Shell. So Art Shell took over his spot.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Art Shell, uh, did come in. No, I just, that was just, when you read about the relationship between Mike Shanahan and Al Davis, it just was never gonna work. It was just oil and water.
John Cashman: Mm-hmm.
Tim Cashman: Al Davis did hire Art Shell, first African American football coach in the NFL. So I have to commend him for that.
Brian Caynan: Yep. And then number four which college did Kyle go to?
Started off at Duke, but he didn’t play He redshirted that year and then he transferred to Texas,
where he was a wide receiver. And, so John, you got that right. And then, his first coaching job was actually with UCLA in 2003 as a graduate assistant under Carl Durrell, I think that’s the name.
And then after that he moved on to Tampa Bay.
John Cashman: You don’t think his dad got on a job, do you?
Tim Cashman: always helps
John Cashman: All right.
Tim Cashman: connections.
John Cashman: Well, last but not least, ’cause this is a little on the shorter side. This is the vacation version of the podcast. It’s stuff we bought on Amazon this week. So, Tim, anything?
Tim Cashman: John, have been out of the house for over 10 days. I have not bought a single thing this past week on Amazon. I’m sorry. I have nothing
John Cashman: Well,
I guess we’re just gonna have to keep doing this for free. Then, Brian did you buy anything on Amazon this week?
Brian Caynan: Not on Amazon, but I did buy a second pair of running shoes. as I probably go through . I always sit on two running shoes at a time, so I kinda go back and forth. Another pair of Brooks,
John Cashman: uh,
Brian Caynan: my favorite shout out. So sponsor Money Brooks, put it on here, and then, through Roadrunner Sports.
John Cashman: So,
Brian Caynan: that’s a chain that I buy
John Cashman: Why do you have two pairs of running shoes?
Brian Caynan: Because you don’t wanna wear one out, you gotta go back and forth between the two.
Tim Cashman: Absolutely. I have one pair of running shoes for walking around and one pair of running shoes that I run in.
John Cashman: So I’m weird, how much do the Brooks cost?
Brian Caynan: they’re about $140 to $160. Yeah.
John Cashman: Okay, so this is where I’m, I’m weirdly cheap. not buy a pair of running shoes until they’re like literally about ready to fall off my feet. But I’ll go out and drop $160 on dinner without even batting an eyelash. So Iguess you gotta have your priorities in place.
Brian Caynan: This is, gonna save your knees.
John Cashman: Or maybe you just don’t run as much as you guys do.
Brian Caynan: that would probably do it.
John Cashman: Anyway. So final thoughts guys, before we wrap it up, do we want? You know, we’re not doing predictions,
Tim Cashman: We don’t do predictions. No, it’s good to have football back. It’s good to you know, critique a game after so many months of no football. And I think the Niners will be fine. Everybody can take a deep breath and we’ll, we’ll just move on to next week.
John Cashman: Brian?
Brian Caynan: We will be okay. I think everyone this week, especially on KNBR, were just going bananas. just asking for let’s trade, lance now type of situation. Let it be and see what happens this weekend. So yeah, looking forward to watching this weekend’s game.
John Cashman: I just don’t want it to be the Titanic. Just stay afloat. We’re not loading lifeboats.
Tim Cashman: If this was week one, I’d say iceberg right ahead. But we’re not in week one. we haven’t even left the port yet. So let,
Brian Caynan: Or if Brock Purdy or Trent Williams get hurt already in this. Yeah, that’s the Titanic
John Cashman: Knock on wood.
Tim Cashman: not say anything. Do your Yeah, we’re gonna,
John Cashman: Yeah. There we go.
Tim Cashman: we go. All right,
John Cashman: Cool.
Tim Cashman: better
John Cashman: On that note,
Tim Cashman: this gonna say something that’s gonna mess up the mojo.
John Cashman: Yeah, on the, on that note, everybody, thanks for tuning in. If you get a moment, you know, like us subscribe, leave a review, , tell us what you think, but , enjoy the last little bits of summer and we’re out. Thanks, faithful. Thanks Diner nation. Thanks diner talk. Talk to you next week.
