John Cashman: Hello, welcome to Niners Talk. I’m John, as always. I’m John by my brother from another mother, Brian. My actual brother Tim.
Tim Cashman: Has Nick Boas assigned? No. Okay. How about now? No. Should I, can I ask that for the, the remainder of the podcast? Sure.
John Cashman: I’m waiting for Dunna Nut and it’ll be like, way too early Mock draft 2024.
Tim Cashman: Well, like you, John, every time my phone vibrates, buzzes, beeps could be in the middle of the night, could be in the middle of the day, is did Bosa sign and then it’s usually like you have an Amazon package on the way. Yeah.
John Cashman: Exciting times. But we’ll get to what we bought on Amazon, , later in the show. So for those of you who are listening, we would ask you if you could leave a review, , share the podcast, and, , subscribe. But just in general, how are you guys feeling? Is this cut down day? How are you feeling?
You know, we’re almost a week away from the season, Brian.
Brian Caynan: Well, I think the big news was like right before the game started was the whole Trey Lance thing. So I don’t know that kind of put a damper on the game for me. ’cause I was one who wanted to see kind of Trey Lance, make it. Obviously we’re gonna break that down a little bit later, obviously, in this episode.
So, and then leading into the game, it looked like they played pretty good the first round, I mean the first series. And, it didn’t look much better. I don’t know, they, I just feel like they were a little bit flat on some ends, some sides of things, and we’ll talk about that. But overall, doing good.
John Cashman: Good, Tim? Well, how are you feeling?
Tim Cashman: Well, I mean, like Brian, I think , the enormous news was that Trey Lance had been, uh, dealt to the Cowboys, uh, for fourth round pick. And that was before the game, as for the game itself, I think I viewed it in two ways. Uh, number one was, okay, let’s see how Purdy he’s going to look.
And he did lead, he should have had two touchdown drives. We had a fumble on the first one, but, uh, did leave a touchdown drive on his second possession. And then it was, okay, who wants to make the roster? Who’s trying to make a name for themselves? And then I thought the second half was pretty much, let’s just get out here with no injuries and mm-hmm.
Go on to a regular season. But, we were at, today is Tuesday, uh, August 29th, and we did get the final 53 man roster out today from the 49ers. And I don’t think there were any real surprises. I think the only surprise I had was on the defensive line with Hyder, being waived. There’s an expectation that he’s gonna resign with the 49ers.
But other than that, uh, no, no real surprises. Now we’re just gonna see who, um, who makes up the practice squad.
John Cashman: Yeah, I think Kerry Hyder was a bit of, of a surprise. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. Guys who stood out, who did make the team Dee Winters, Ronnie Bell, I was hoping a little bit for Deshaun Jameson, but I thought that the Niners, we were gonna let him go and then sign him to a practice squad simply because of his punt return abilities.
He looked pretty decent with some of his coverage. But anyway, let’s get to really what the big news was, on Friday, which is the Lance trade. Now, there are two schools of thought on this. Was it the worst trade ever that the Niners made, and was it the worst trade ever that Dallas has made?
Tim?
Tim Cashman: Thoughts? Was it the worst trade in 49 ERs history? I can’t say it was the worst trade, , ever. I think that one belongs to, uh, Joe Thomas in 1978 who traded a slew of traffic picks for, a washed OJ Simpson, and this was a team in 1978 that was just really than I think, a semi-pro team in terms of talent.
The 49ers are light years removed from that kind of team. I think everybody expects that this team’s gonna compete for a deep playoff run. But it did occur to me that, um, with the trade to the Cowboys, it did bring up another trade that happened in 1992, and that was when the 49 ERs sent Charles Haley to the Cowboys.
And that really shifted the balance of power in the N F C because Haley became a thorn in the 49 ERs side. For, several games after that. I mean, they obviously, I, they went, uh, they competed in three straight mc championship games and I think two, maybe three regular season games. So that was a, that was the one that kind of jumped out at me is like, is this gonna be like a Charles Haley?
And only time will tell, I would say probably, I, I have a tough time seeing it, but Stranger things have happened. , but that’s my 2 cents. Ryan, what do you think? I know you’re a Trail Lands fan.
Brian Caynan: Yeah, I was, I was a Trey Lance fan. I think to me it does feel like, it’s probably the worst trade in recent history in my opinion, only because I felt like we gave up so much for him.
So if you’re giving up, what, a three first rounders and I can’t remember what the other one was. Like a third or fourth rounder, and then you’re basically getting back a fourth round pick for him. So you basically lost three first rounds. Three first rounders. I think to me that sounds pretty, I guess in recent history, it’s probably gonna make up as being, you know, a really bad trade at the moment.
And everyone kind of lives in the moment, but I, I don’t know. I feel like it was like a gut bunch because, you know, maybe he could have performed better or maybe he was, he just needed more time to practice and I was kind of one of those who felt like he just needed the reps and mm-hmm. You know, it’s unfortunate it wasn’t on the Niners because he wasn’t gonna supplant, , Brock Purdy.
Mm-hmm. But I always had faith in that guy, and he looked like he could run, he could throw, he could, he was just big. He was like a Patrick Ma. He was bigger than Patrick Mahomes. And, he was, everyone, he was everything that that Menner fans wanted. He looked like the part that he was gonna be, you know, like the next Patrick Mahomes to us, you know?
Mm-hmm. Or what Jalen Hertz is, is turning out to be, So, yeah, a little bit of a gut punch. But, I think in the end of the day with the, you know, the Niners and, and John, John Lynch and, and Kyle, they’re just looking to put the best team on the field and, you know, it’s unfortunate Sam darn passed him, but you know, that’s, that’s what it is.
So guess it is a business and you have to kind of move on with these types of things, but I just felt like they kind of gave up a lot to get him and they didn’t get that much in return. That was just kind of my thoughts on that. Yeah,
John Cashman: I would actually consider it the fifth worst trade in 49 ERs history.
I think the fourth worst trade in 49 ERs history was anything that Trent Bulky did. The third worst trade in 49 ERs history was when we let Montana go because it was Joe Montana. Second would be Charles Haley, and first is OJ Simpson. So I rank at the fifth worst trade, I felt for, for Trey, and now he’s.
All over the drama that is Dallas, because if you listen to Get Up or the national shows, they’re like, what are you doing? Oh my God. Now there’s Ray Lances in the building and Deck Prescott. So now he’s got got that drama. I just, I wish the kid well and I hope, uh, I hope he has success except yeah.
Uh, when he plays against the 49 ERs. So, uh, the other big news, obviously with cut down day is Nick Bosa still hasn’t signed, TikTok. TikTok, we are now what, 12 days away from opening day. Brian, they gonna get this done.
Brian Caynan: I have no idea. I thought it had been done weeks ago. So, um, I mean, he’s contracted to play this season, right?
So, mm-hmm. Um, He’s gonna show up. Um, and the fact is the Niners aren’t finding him. Right. They’re acting like in good faith and they wanna make it this like a, they wanna be good partners about this. I don’t know when they’re gonna sign him, but hopefully it’ll be before, you know, they’ll give them some time to get acclimated with the team.
, I’ve heard that he’s probably that type of person who’s gonna be practicing by himself and he’s working hard. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I’m just gonna stay optimistic on this and hope he gets signed within the next few days. So,
Tim Cashman: and
John Cashman: from what, in 10, what will you say your panic meter is?
Brian Caynan: Oof. I think every week it started off at like zero and then now, you know, each week turned to be a one.
So what did we now add? Uh, well it’s probably now an eight because, oh, so you, the season starts to two weeks.
John Cashman: Oh, so icebergs
Tim Cashman: right ahead.
Brian Caynan: It’s getting close.
John Cashman: Tim, how are you feeling about, you think Nick Bose is gonna be signed
Tim Cashman: this week?
I think my panic meter is probably at around a four out of 10 right now. Mm-hmm. I still think a deal is going to get done, but I am surprised that it’s taken this long when Trey Lance was, Was traded, I thought, okay, maybe that’ll open up a little bit of room. And now that we’re past the 53 man roster announcement, maybe it happens sooner rather than later.
Neither side is commented, but it seems that we’re at least at some sort of an impasse. And the impasse is obviously money. And I think, uh, from, uh, the Niners standpoint, they’re very concerned about their 2024 salary cap situation. Mm-hmm. And I’m sure that Bosa is gonna want a incentive, late incentive latent contract that is running into a wall with a 40 Niners.
But they’re also not, we’re not seeing anything on social media. We’re not seeing, Nick bso scrubbing his Instagram or anything like that, or, or, , John Lynch making some sort of a cryptic remarks. I think a deal does get done, but obviously the Niners want him in, uh, camp as soon as possible because they got Pittsburgh coming up in a couple of weeks.
And what they don’t want is to have Nick Bosa come in, , not having a training camp. Um, obviously the guy will be in shape, but, uh, I wouldn’t be surprised if, if this gets closer to Pittsburgh that he’s on a pitch count. You know, I know he is a defensive player of the year, but, um, I don’t think they wanna just throw him right into the mix, , because it is a new defensive coordinator and he’s gonna have to get used to, uh, a, a little bit of a new system there.
John Cashman: I have a couple thoughts. One is I think my panic meters at a three, like I don’t, I think it’s gonna get done. I actually think it’ll probably get done by tomorrow or Thursday, after the Niners, you know, get their ducks in a row with, , their 53 man roster and waiver wire, et cetera.
And then they can move somebody down the practice squad and, you know, put Nick Boes into place. , if I were to just make a hypothetical, my guess on the holdup probably isn’t money, but number of years. , I would be willing to bet that Nick Bose’s agent, , is probably having something like, Hey, you know, it’s four years, not five, because, , they want to have him do another contract in four years, , where he gets another ginormous deal.
Uh, but that’s, I mean, that’s just my, my thoughts. Um, however, I, I would say in terms of readiness, I remember I, Fred Dean joined the Niners once midweek against the Dallas Cowboys, and as Randy Cross said was, he’s gonna have to know our game plan. Fred, go get that guy. And I imagine it’ll be a little bit like Nick.
Um, you see Kenny Pickett, go get
Tim Cashman: that guy. I would say if, if you ever get a chance to go in on YouTube, and you, I think just put in Fred Dean Cowboys, there’s one series where he literally blows up the entire cowboy offensive line at one point. You see, uh, pat Donovan, who is the Cowboy’s left tackle, he’s literally just, he comes right out of the right side of your skin.
He’s just being thrown back. And Danny White is probably screaming, blow the whistle. Blow the whistle. So, , he was, he was, he was a phenom. Uh, but, um, yeah, I, I, it’s, it’s, it’s been surprising. It, it would’ve taken this long.
John Cashman: Yeah. I just hope that it’ll be no drama and it’ll be done in the next couple days.
Well, we’ve been saying that since we actually started this podcast. So, , moving on, uh, quarterback situation, we now know it’s purdy darn. And. The other guy,
Tim Cashman: Allen Brooke, Brooke Allen, Brandon, the
John Cashman: other guy, Brandon Allen, the other guy. My initial impressions of Brooke pretty so far when I’ve seen him against the Broncos and the Chargers were really pretty good.
He looked very much in control. He was moving the ball around. He still didn’t have McCaffrey. He only had Kittle for like one series. , Trent Williams still isn’t there, but I thought he looked, I thought he looked great. , so I’m actually feeling pretty decent , about Brock, you know, not being that one flash in the pan.
Uh, Sam Donald, I just feel that he has, we can, if Brock somehow gets hurt, you know, knock on wood that he can step in and deliver. Yeah. , I just never got the feeling that he’s as crisp as Brockport in the offense yet, but I did feel like he had a pretty good control of it.
Uh, so we will, we will see. I, I certainly felt better about it than when like Nick Mullens was the quarterback or CJ or, or anything. I think we have a pretty solid backup. Brian, thoughts on the quarterback situation?
Brian Caynan: I think with, with, well to go with Purdy first, he, he looked pretty sharp to me. His end arounds and his throws, they all looked to be good.
, I think there was one play that stands out. He did some, like you were coming close to the, to the goal line and he had to do mm-hmm. He had to pick up some yards to run and he just made some pretty good cuts and I think he got stopped around the two or the three. So, um, yeah, I think he looks good. He, he’s looking sharp.
, I have no doubt he’ll, um, He will do really well this season. Sam Darn, you know, he actually did impress me too. I, you know, I was watching the games and I didn’t want, I didn’t wanna be like, um, a Sam darn fan, but he ended up being okay. You know, obviously he played a little bit better than Trey Lance.
So that’s why Tre Lance isn’t here. But, um, you know, he actually did some pretty good throws , no, I was impressed by him and kind of the way he did things. So I think in the end, the roster kind of shaped itself , yeah, I think the, I think they look good so far in what they’ve done. Tim.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I think, you know, with Donald, we saw a quarterback that was just a lot more, looked a lot more comfortable in the pocket than, uh, than Trey Lance. And, and I think that just goes back to, is what, what Brian was saying earlier was reps and Lance just unfortunately beat due to injury. He never got ’em.
You go back to the Raiders game and we saw Donald come in and we saw a beautiful throw, , to Bell, I think on third quarters, down the right sideline. Um, you know, and again, we saw, you know, him take command of the offense after Purdy in the, in the, um, first half against the, , the Broncos. He stayed out there for most of the third quarter as well.
But yeah, like you, John, I mean, Purdy came in against the Broncos, you know, first drive, boom, they go down, they get a field goal, uh, two drives, as I mentioned earlier, against the Chargers. You know, one that should have been, uh, when Mason fumbled, but then he runs in for a touchdown on the second. So there are no red flags right now with, with Brock Purdy, but I think with the, the number two, uh, another, um, sports, another journalist made this comment is that there, there may be a time and none of us are hoping this, that Purdy, you know, just has to go out for a series.
Mm-hmm. You know, either he gets dinged and he just has to get taped up and you want a quarterback that can come in and, you know, be able to handle the offense. And that was always kind of the knock on Trey Lance was that he took a while to warm up in practice and in games. And it wasn’t until a couple series in that he got the hang of it.
And if you’re gonna have a backup quarterback that’s gonna come in and play one, two series, you can’t afford to have that kind of warmup. That’s, mm-hmm. That’s are two scoring possessions. Um, and we know how precious points and scoring opportunities can be in N F L games. Uh, that’s, I think, was one of the key reasons why they went with, , Donald over, over Lance and what ultimately, um, you know, helped lead to Lance’s, uh, trade.
So, um, but yeah, I think, you know, the quarterback situation is, is pretty much set, you know, Alan will, you know, be the third stringer. You know, obviously I, I hope we don’t have to use them like last year mm-hmm. With Josh Johnson. But, um, yeah, I, I think, um, right now, no, no red flags, at least in the own starting quarter acquisition.
Yeah. So,
John Cashman: yeah, I think we’ve talked a little bit about the Chargers game. Offense and defense both looked, you know, first team units looked really good. Fred had , a great sack. Uh, but what I think we should, you know, we’ll talk about who stood out for, for each of us and, and for me, , on the offense, especially the, the first team is, is Jordan Mason stood out.
Uh, although he fumbled before that, he looked great. Catching balls outta the, you know, for the first, I hadn’t seen Jordan Mason catch a football, , which was exciting. He was rumbling pretty good. And then other than that, , fumble, you know, still look good in the next series, you know. So, Brian, who stood out for you, , with the Chargers
Brian Caynan: game?
Well, I, I definitely would say Jordan Mason. He, he did look sharp. I actually was watching the part where he, I thought he scored the touchdown, and I was, I was cooking dinner at the same time. Mm-hmm. So I walked away. Mm-hmm. And then I came back like two minutes later, and then I noticed, wait a minute, we did score on that.
And then, , so that was a little shocking and I didn’t even, I didn’t even see the replay that he fumbled it. But, um, yeah, Jordan Mason definitely stood out to me. , Ronnie Bell, as you kind of put in the notes here, yeah, he definitely stood out. And, , one thing I will say, trivia wise, Ronnie Bell, every time I see his name, there is a, there’s an r b group that I really love called New Edition.
They’re from the eighties, and there’s two people on there. There’s Ronnie Devoe and Ricky Bell. Mm-hmm. So every time I see Ronnie Bell, I think of New Edition because it’s a combination of these two names. So that’s a tangent. We’ll come back to that. Um, no, no.
Tim Cashman: Let’s, let’s keep on that. I, I wanna talk about New Edition.
Yeah. Maybe I’ll put that on a trivia question. I, I, I think we should have a trivia question for our fans on name this, name the lineup for New Edition, and we’ll send you a J V C, uh, taped, taped, you know, blank tape, uh, set, you know, four pack. I
Brian Caynan: told the same thing to my brother and he totally laughed. And then he sent me something on Instagram where somebody else said the same exact thing that I said.
So, um, okay. I guess people of a certain age who like a certain music,
Tim Cashman: we, we are, we are that certain age that at least are, we are that certain age. I don’t know what our listeners are, but hopefully though they’re around the same age, so they get these references. Otherwise, , John, we’re gonna have to figure out another marketing routine.
Well, other than we’re, we’re targeting the 40, 40 plus video,
John Cashman: other than new note, new edition names. Tim, who else stood out
Tim Cashman: for you? Uh, Kinlaw. Uh, I just like how he has, uh, he’s been, uh, he had a, he had a couple of great players where he was really collapsing the pocket. , he’s not the, you know, the, I, I think the replacement for Buckner that, uh, was originally intended, but, uh, certainly with Hargrove coming in there, you know, I can imagine.
, I can imagine situations where hugger needs a, needs a rest , and Ken Lock can come in and, and make a couple plays. He doesn’t have to be the guy and given his knee, he could come in fresh and he could make, uh, some plays. , but I really was impressed a couple times when he was effective at collapsing the pocket and, that’s something that the four Niners didn’t have last year, so I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do in the regular season.
John Cashman: Yeah, I, I was impressed with Ken Law as well. I thought he looked great. , he had a lot of energy. Um, he’s got those no socks kind of thing going on with the shirt. Tail untucked just looked like he was out there, just whacking people around. Mm-hmm. Um, and speaking of whacking people around, we finally got to see Drake Jackson, and he did.
He looked
Tim Cashman: great.
John Cashman: He has some long arms, uh, he has some long arms and he almost had an amazing interception. Yeah. Obviously with Drake, it’s just, I hope he can just. Uh, you know, manage the marathon. That is the N F L season. But he jumped out a decent amount on tape. Brian, anyone else that stood out to you this week?
Uh,
Brian Caynan: let me think. Ty Davis price. I mean, he got the second, he was a second running back. Mm-hmm. So he looked, he looked fine. Nothing kind of like stood out to me or made me worrisome, kind of, uh, kind of about him. He looked fine. Um, you know, always thinking about like, what was it, Sam Wommack and, um, gosh, , their other corner from Michigan.
Why is his name? Ambry Thomas. Sorry. , I mean they look fine to me. So kind of no issues or anything like that. , con, is it Conley? Chris Conley, e Conway. Chris Con, Chris Conley, he, uh, he had number 17. Mm-hmm.
He got cut, but he was the guy who had that , awesome catch from Sam. Darn. So I was gonna talk about that and you put that in the notes, John, but that was something that I was kind of really, I impressive that he did that diving catch from Sam Darn on the, on the, uh, the line. So yeah, I, I just, I think overall they did okay.
, I was just impressed with, um, kind of some of those players over there.
John Cashman: All right. Tim, any final good thoughts before we move on to bad thoughts?
Tim Cashman: We didn’t have any injuries. Well, I take that back. We had La Cameron Latu is out. , he has I think a meniscus issue. Mm-hmm. I dunno if it’s mm-hmm. I don’t remember if it’s a terror, but, you know, we’re not sitting here saying, oh, you know, so-and-so is that. I’m not gonna name any names ’cause I’m, I’m just that superstitious.
But we, we got out with no major injuries, so let’s, let’s all be grateful.
John Cashman: Well, well, let’s go to the not so good news. Do we have a kicker?
Tim Cashman: Does anybody know?
Uh, apparently not. And, and I would ask our listeners, I, I don’t know of any other situation in the N F L when we’ve been down to a third string kicker, and I guess that’s Mitch Chenowski
John Cashman: at this point. I was like, Trey, can you kick
Tim Cashman: That’s, that’s, that’s cruel. That’s cruel.
John Cashman: Uh, yeah. This is a little odd. I mean, I don’t know how many memes I saw. On Friday about like, call Robbie Gould, like, like, we fucked
Tim Cashman: up man.
John Cashman: I’m so sorry. Take us back. But, uh, yeah, not good. We do, we do need a tick kicker. , Brian, thoughts on our kicker situation?
I think you were looking up some stats
Brian Caynan: , the number one rated kicker by Bleacher report of the worst kicker of the Niners was your buddy Jose Cortez. Tim, you, uh, you’ve been calling out. Um,
Tim Cashman: I, I just, I dunno what they’re gonna do about the kicker.
I was just angry that he would miss kicks at certain points in the game. I didn’t hate him personally. I hope he is doing okay. I hope he is living a wonderful life. I just want that for the record.
John Cashman: But he was the worst fucking
Tim Cashman: our sister. Yes, yes, yes, he was. Although Brian mentioned, , when we were, , at a little bit of a break, he mentioned Mike Fer, and he said 1991, it was at 50%, Brian.
Oh, you heard that? Okay. I did hear that. And, and I do, I do remember, because I had season tickets that game, and it was just like every time Kofu would line up, you’re just like, here we go again. Mm-hmm. Um, but that, that, I mean, I, I think, you know, that could be another, you know, we talked about the worst trades of before in history.
I, I guess, you know, we can also talk about the, the worst, kickers. So yeah. Kokofu would be up there. But, um, I, I guess the, at last, uh, point, you know, moody is, , is day to day may be ready by week one. Gonzales is on ir, and we’ve got Mitch and I guess whoever’s out on the waiver wire right now, that could potentially be a backup.
So,
John Cashman: Well, I know there’s a couple, like the Saints had a couple kickers. , both were doing well. The Chargers had a couple kickers. Both were doing well. There’ll be guys out there. Robbie Gould is still out there. I mean, yeah. You know, like how does he have to make a house payment? You know, it’s interesting this, yeah.
Robbie, what are you doing
Brian Caynan: this weekend? It’s interesting, this little strategy you were saying. Brian. It’s interesting, John and Tim, this little strategy, the Niners were trying to do of keeping two kickers on the roster, um, you know, keeping, uh, is it Zane and both Moody and then trying to trade, trying to trade Zane, and now they both went out.
So that’s kind of fitting that, that that kind of happened. So,
Tim Cashman: I’m still amazed at the, at the 49 ERs trend of having injured kickers because Robbie was out, you know, in 2019. I remember he, we brought in, I remember his name, he played there was that epic matchup with the Seahawks that went into overtime Chase, that lead Chase.
Yes. Chase came in. I, I made the remark like, why do 49 ERs kickers have such unique names? We had Chase and, and I, we actually, we brought in someone, I think again last year. ’cause, because, um, Robbie got hurt, uh, and I don’t remember the apologies, I don’t remember the name, but, , anytime Robbie would kick off, I’m like, Robbie, just run to the sidelines.
Just run to the side. Don’t even like, try to tackle ’em because, so Yeah. Yeah. Not worth it. Not worth it. But, um, yeah, we, we have not, I, I’ll bring up another area. I don’t think Mitch Kowski looked very good in, in preseason. , he was shaking a couple of his punts. , even as the charges, he looked a little bit better, but I was hoping to see some kicks go inside the tent and, and he has not looked right.
So I think the i’s got some issues on special teams.
John Cashman: I would say special teams, la I guess the chargers was better, especially with, they didn’t allow really any, any kind of returns where Raiders and Broncos, there were some big ones, , but not having kickers or a real punter presents some problems.
Yeah. Feels only one on each team. So, , Jake, man, stop being so moody with your leg and he figure it out. Put some benge on that bad boy. Let’s go now as it his left leg or his
right
Tim Cashman: leg. Physical therapy by John. Oh, well, Ben Gay, walk it off. Throw some dirt on it. You’ll be
John Cashman: fine. But do we know, is it his left leg or his right
Tim Cashman: leg?
We have idea. I, I don’t know. Plan leg or kicking leg. It’s one of ’em. Oh, take, take a guess. You, you, you, you’ve got a 50% chance. I
John Cashman: think it’s his left leg anyway. Maybe it’s, well, hopefully it’s not his third leg.
Tim Cashman: Um,
John Cashman: awful. So, any other stuff besides, , Jake, Jake Moody’s legs that you, , weren’t so happy with during the, , chargers game or in preseason in general,
Tim Cashman: Dan?
No, I think we, I, no, I think we covered it. I mean, special teams was the issue. We all knew about Trey Lance. Um, you know, obviously I wanted to see what Danny Gray could do, but, you know, if that’s really about it, if you can get out of the preseason, uh, with these kinds of problems, I think eventually, you know, moody will be back.
You know, it’s nothing serious. , but we we’re gonna have to play that game, uh, until we see what happens, uh, in week one. But, you know, overall, we can’t say that the preseason was dull. We cannot say training camp was dull.
John Cashman: Brian, what about you? Any other stuff that causes you
Brian Caynan: concern? Just, , I, you also put in the notes here, I noticed that guy, was it Nickko Al, who definitely had machine?
Uh oh yeah. You, you, you nailed that one, right? John dt definitely. I, you know, I was coming back and forth from the kitchen and every time I came back I always seemed to see like he was, there was another hole coming his way. So, , yeah. I don’t, I actually have to check. Was he cut? Was he cut or is he still on
John Cashman: the, on the, yeah, he was cut.
That guy had more holes than a grandmother at a
Tim Cashman: funeral. I don’t get it. Well, I’ll hold it.
John Cashman: My only other concern, , and hopefully it does not translate into the regular season because it, it can sink football games even when you’re outperforming its turnovers. Yeah. Too many turnovers and too many rando off the hands popped up in the air, intercepted turnovers and that stuff got stop. Kyle. We don’t want that kind of stuff.
Tim Cashman: Well, I think let’s, let’s also remember now Jordan Mason had a fumble, but when did the other turnovers take place and, and who was making them? So if, if it was C M C or Devo, I think we’d, we’d have some, some, some concern there. But, uh, I, I’m gonna put less of an emphasis on it than, than you are. So you don’t see the iceberg?
No, I’m not seeing the iceberg. Uh, if we’re in a ship, I think we’ve, we, , we have conducted our sea trials and we’re about to take her out into the big wide ocean. Sweet. And that
Brian Caynan: Brandon Allen did throw a pick. Yeah.
Tim Cashman: Okay. Brandon Allen will be a third string string quarterback. And, and just just for question, why did the Titanic references keep coming out?
I mean, the movie came out in what, 98, 99? ’cause everybody knows Titanic, even our 40 year old audience. I just, could we have a better analogy than the, , than the Titanic? How about, I don’t know. We, could we do something like Airport 77? Yeah. Airport 77. I, I was thinking more like 2019 was a new hope and, , 2020, maybe.
20 21, 22 is the Empire Strikes Back. And then this could be Return of the Jedi, where the good guys finally defeat. Whoever’s been bothering us the most, the Seahawks, the Eagles, the Chiefs. Somebody, I’ll go with that. We’re all three. Or all three. Yeah. Yeah.
John Cashman: Patrick Mahomes does look like one of those red guys with the staff of raw, you know.
, I don’t know what Andy Ree would be. I could make a guess, but that would be mean. Jaba. Um, there you go. Thank you for guessing, Jim. And
Tim Cashman: on that note, we need to get off this subject. Let’s go to
John Cashman: Brian on Niners trivia with his Alright. Weekly trivia questions, which we will answer first. Yep. And then talk about some other stuff.
And then Brian will tell us if we’re right or wrong. And I think so far in Divia we’ve missed two questions.
Brian Caynan: I’ve been throwing some softballs at you guys, but maybe I’ll make it harder.
Tim Cashman: Oh yeah, right. Yeah. Some softballs. Now the gloves. Now the gloves have come off.
Brian Caynan: I actually did not think you would get the one
John Cashman: about, if you say how to spell Nick Zelle, you’re definitely
Tim Cashman: gonna win that one.
Alright. But it’s like, wait, but what, what was it? You didn’t think we were going to get,
Brian Caynan: All the Hall of Famers?
John Cashman: Well, okay. We didn’t get Bobby Beard,
Tim Cashman: so No, we didn’t get Bobby Bether, but we got the, we got the Niners. Although the one thing , I will just point out, because of those of us who listened to the last show, Richard Dent was the one on the defensive end.
He did not play in that Super Bowl. He had an a c L tear. Oh, there you go. Did not know that. Yeah. Well, Brian, it’s a little asterisk on that one. I’m sorry. Please continue, Brian. Okay.
Brian Caynan: , one of the other most lopsided trades in Edible History that wasn’t mentioned by John, our fabulous host was, , 40 Niners actually winning a trade, , for Steve Young.
My favorite quarterback, probably, I’m getting guess. John and Tim’s second favorite quarterback. , I, we all know what team he was traded from, but what was the name of the starting quarterback that took his job from his former team and what college did he go to? I’m gonna go
John Cashman: with Steve de Berg because he just seems to be everywhere, but Tim
Tim Cashman: knows the answer.
So, Vinny Te Verdi and Te Verdi went to the University of Miami. Did he?
Brian Caynan: Okay. Final,
Tim Cashman: final answer, Tim. That’s my final answer.
Brian Caynan: Alright, next one. Number two. Speaking of Steve Young, my favorite quarterback, , he was drafted by Tampa Bay and also the LA Express of the U Ss f l who won the three U s f u Ss f l Champion chips in 83, 84 in 85.
John Cashman: I thought we were doing N F L
Tim Cashman: show. Yeah, I, I just thought it was he’s, I, I have to say before I answer, Brian is reaching deep. Yeah, he is reaching deep. All right. Uh, so eight. I’m gonna go with, I’ll go with you
John Cashman: name. Go ahead.
Tim Cashman: Just one name. Just one. I’m go, I wanna do three. Go. Go for it. John. I’m gonna go with three
John Cashman: randoms that I, I don’t know if it’s an order.
I’ll just go with three randoms. I’m gonna go with the Philadelphia Stars, the Birmingham Stallions and the Tampa Bay, whatever Thatt was named
Tim Cashman: that. That’s an intimidating mascot. Whatever they were named. It’s like the Washington football team. Yes. Well, it were the, they were the bandits. There you go. The Tampa candidates.
Okay. Why do I know these things? I, because I like said, why do you, , if I, you can look over at my bookcase and there’s a whole bunch of N F L encyclopedias and, I used to read them a lot over and over again. So, um, but anyway, that, that’s, um, I digress. So the three N f, uh, U S F L champions in 83, 84, 85, , I’m gonna go with, I think it was the Michigan Panthers, the Philadelphia Stars, and the Baltimore Stars who beat the Oakland Invaders.
There was two stars. They, because they had this problem with paying rent at stadiums, like if you don’t pay, you can’t play there. , they had to move to Baltimore, and I think they played it, and actually they didn’t even play in Baltimore. They had to play at the University of Maryland, which is just outside of Washington, DC So, not exactly close to Baltimore.
But, , there’s some great U S F L stories. There’s a great 30 for 30 on U Ss f L. Uh, if you ever get a chance to watch that one on YouTube or s p n any more, Brian,
Brian Caynan: man, you, you, uh, seem to know something in your mind. All right. Number three. Who are the three, the three overall quarterback number one picks to not win a Super Bowl For the, the Niners or overall?
Just overall in history of the N F L. And I’ll give you a hint. One of them is a niner.
John Cashman: Yeah. Well one is Alex Smith, right? Mm-hmm. Secondly, baker Mayfield.
Tim Cashman: Was he a number one pick though? Mm-hmm. He was the first pick in the draft? Yeah. Okay. Um,
John Cashman: Wow. And I’m gonna just give you a random one, Tim, to my view, correct me, is Steve
Tim Cashman: Spurrier.
I’m gonna, yeah, I’m gonna go with Spurrier, Alex Smith, and I’ll say Vinny Testa Verde, Vinny.
Brian Caynan: Okay. Moving on. , who is the only undrafted quarterback to win a Super Bowl? Hmm.
John Cashman: I’m gonna go with Kurt Warner.
Tim Cashman: Ah, I will agree with John.
Ryan’s like, damn, these two. Moving on.
Brian Caynan: Moving on. Okay. Hand it back to you, John.
John Cashman: By the way, I have to put a reminder on my phone for my wife’s birthday and my anniversary. But
Tim Cashman: yeah, happy anniversary.
John Cashman: , it’s a ways off. Okay. Um, well that kind of gets, I mean, we’re at the end of the preseason. Do you think the Niners accomplished their goals?
Obviously staying healthy, but Tim, do you think the Niners are ready for week one?
Tim Cashman: Yeah, absolutely. We still have to get bosa into camp. They still have to figure out the kicker situation. , but they’re going, if you look at this, um, roster from top to bottom, it’s a loaded roster. Um, and you know, one guy, we have not mentioned the entire preseason and for good reason ’cause why, why play him, , was C M C.
Mm-hmm. Uh, and what a difference maker he was last year. So I’m excited to get him back into the lineup. , Deebo, IU Kittle. Purdy given enough time, I mean, left, left, uh, excuse me. Um, right. Tackle is gonna be, you know, a question mark Boa getting in, you know, we’ll see what, what he does. But this roster looks good and I am, you know, I, I think the Niners, , if they stay healthy, they really have the potential to go for a run this year.
Brian?
Brian Caynan: Yeah, I think, you know, other than the injuries to the kicker, , and figure out the whole trail end situation, I think, you know, overall , they came out of camp, , just exactly where they needed to be. They had some stars show up on, , some people who stood out, I guess some of their draft picks stood out.
Um, you know, they got some good playing time for like, some of their older, , their second year, third year players. Um, yeah. But overall, I think they’re getting ready for the season. And, , yeah, as Tim said, uh, the roster looks good. The roster looks pretty deep, and, , yeah, we’ll see what happens this, this year.
John Cashman: Yeah, I’m excited. I think it, like, again, roster’s pretty well loaded. This offense could really be something special. , I’m looking forward to see how they, the d works under Wilkes with more blitzing. , I am a little nervous about playing Pittsburgh week one. Pittsburgh has looked pretty good in the preseason.
, they’re gonna be a hungry young team and you never know what’s gonna happen in week one. But if things go sideways in week one, and we have a situation where we lose to, like, we lost the bears last year. Well, season’s not over yet. , because we’ve got lots of football to go. Yeah. So I’m, I’m excited.
It’s, we’re almost there. You know, this time next week we’re gonna be talking, , Steelers preview, and hopefully I will have a ticket to the game. So, Brian, tell us if you were right or wrong in our trivia and useless knowledge of pro football.
Brian Caynan: All right, , number one, uh, one of the most lopsided trades in N F L History 40 Niners trading for Steve Young.
Yes, Tim, you’re right. It was, uh, Vinny Testa Verde, uh, went to the University of Miami and he became the starter ’cause he was drafted in 87, , for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So, , Tim, let’s see if you know this one. Who did the, what did the Niners trade for Ste Young in that one? Oh,
Tim Cashman: great question. I, I know they not only, not only did they trade, I want to say maybe a traffic, but they also sent Hugh Culver house, the owner of the Buccaneer, as I wanna say, like a million dollars in cash.
I. Uh, so I don’t remember the exact, uh, terms of the deal, but I do remember being interesting because of the amount of money that Eddie D was willing to part with to get Steve Young. So am
Brian Caynan: close. So they traded a second and a fourth, a second and a fourth. Mm-hmm. Uh, in 87. And none of those picks kind of went anywhere for, for Tampa Bay, but I didn’t realize there was a cash element to that one too.
So, okay. , number two, speaking of Steve Young, drafted by the LA Express, who won the first three championships. Tim, I don’t know how you fri know this, but Yes. It was the Michigan, Michigan Panthers in 83, the Philadelphia Stars in 84, and the Baltimore slash Philadelphia Stars in 85. So, oh
John Cashman: my God. , now if you could name a player off of that team, then it’s like,
Tim Cashman: , do you know who coached the, the, the, the stars was Jim Mora, who, who later became head coach of the New Orleans Saints.
Ah, there you go. Playoffs. Uh, playoffs. No, he, he was a winner in the U S F L. I don’t know where the, I don’t know where the trophy is. Maybe it’s at his house in the basement somewhere, but,
Brian Caynan: oh, well I was reading that they had, they had like a trophy, like where was passed down from Champion to Champion every year.
Yeah. And then finally whoever won it last from the Baltimore stores, stars donated to the, , N F L, like the Hall of Fame
Tim Cashman: or something like that. It’s just like N F L is to say you didn’t make it. Ha. So it’s
Brian Caynan: like the, , interesting enough, you talked about Tim, like, like five minutes ago that the Philadelphia and Baltimore Stars merge the Michigan Panthers.
, after two years they did merge with the Oakland Invaders, so they kind of merged together last year. Um, number three, I think I had a bad source on it, but I noticed there’s a whole bunch of number one overall picks who have not, , won a Super Bowl. So yes. To name a few, um, Cam Newan was one, but I don’t think you guys said that.
Uh, Michael Vick was another one. , Alex Smith, baker Mayfield. , Kyler Murray. Mm-hmm. Joe Burrow, but in Jared Goff. Mm-hmm. Uh, some, like some other names, like in the recent 2010s, like Andrew Luck. Mm-hmm. , Jima, Winston, Sam Bradford. So the list kinda goes on. Yeah. But the Raiders had JaMarcus Roswell, who was another, another famous one.
So, yeah. , let’s see. Only undrafted player, , to win a Super Bowl. Yes. You guys are both right. Kurt Warner. Thanks John on that one. So you got that one running the notes. Sweet. Good. And make some harder questions next time.
Tim Cashman: I, Brian, I do admire you because you’re asking questions that I don’t anticipate, but it’s, , It, it’s, it, it is. You probably get the stack deck. Yeah. Um, if, if only I could take this knowledge to a place like Las Vegas and maybe make a few dollars, but we’re, anyway, I’m glad you appreciate, I’m glad you appreciate it, both of you.
Yes.
John Cashman: On another note before we get to, , stuff we bought on Amazon this week, , what would both of you think about either the U S F L or the X F L becoming an N F L Development League?
Tim Cashman: , I think I like that idea. I, yeah. I I’ll say I think a development league, , obviously if you were to look at it in some way, like, you know, what, what baseball has, , what the N B A has, , with, you know, minor leagues and summer league respectively, I just, I’ve seen so many leagues, , come and go like the, you know, the World Football League and, and others that just don’t pan out because, , football has a limited number of games.
, it’s an expensive sport. Uh, and, you know, how, how are you gonna draw fans to a development league? So I wish it would work. I think it would be beneficial for the league, but financially I just have never seen, , a business model that has ever succeeded.
Brian Caynan: I would love to see some sort of like minor league system, um, or G League system, like, like the, um, baseball and the, and, and, And the N B A have.
, but I think, Tim, you’re right, it, it’s, it is financially prohibitive. I think the, was in N F L Europe trying to be something like that. Mm-hmm. Maybe 20, 25 years ago. Yep. , and it looked like it was somewhat fun to watch. It was in a different country. It was, you know, based in Europe. So, but, you know, I do think it, it, it is expensive.
, so I think if they’d have to probably look at the, just kind of the way they do it, it’d have to be probably somewhere near a lot of these cities where they are today. Like in San Francisco, , in the Bay Area here, it probably have to be like in somewhere in the Bay Area, like San Jose or Oakland or something like that.
Mm-hmm. It’d have to be really close. So like, you know, like players can, can travel kind of back and forth. But yeah, I would love to see something like that because you’d wanna see players like, , TRE Lands, kind of get more reps. I. You know, and in your own system. Mm-hmm. And he can kind of practice with your own players and Yeah, I would love to see something like that.
John Cashman: Yeah. I, I actually would too. I think, , what they could do, uh, they is really just have it start maybe two or three weeks after the Super Bowl, have it be a, , short a game season, have it in smaller cities. So for example, like San Francisco’s affiliate could be Sacramento. And you could have like a Denver affiliate in Cheyenne, Wyoming, you know, so that there’s these small markets, small stadiums, , but you know that, okay, those are the Denver Broncos players or Niners players who we can go and watch rather than just the preseason.
, get some on film, might actually get some coaches who have head coaching aspirations on the field as well. And maybe, you know, shortens the, the desert that we have to cross. Yeah. Every year may. ’cause we know that’s like a, the 49 ERs affiliate. I’ll,
Tim Cashman: I’ll throw it out an idea, , that, , we saw it during the pandemic where, you know, all of the, you know, basketball games, , they had one location or just a mm-hmm.
Location in which they had several, , facilities that they could use. If you had something like that, that might work. Uh, from a cost standpoint, uh, you know, I, I’m thinking somewhere in, you know, in Orlando where they have the E S P N center and they have something along the lines of, , football fields, basketball, some, something along that, or just somewhere in the state of Texas where they have 14 football fields, , have everything there that would cut down on your costs, , that would cut down on obviously travel.
, and everything is in one location. Maybe that could work, take, maybe leverage something out of the pandemic, , the models that you had to employ in the pandemic. Yeah,
John Cashman: that’s not a bad idea. All right, well let’s wrap it up with stuff we bought on Amazon this week. So now that we’re back in school, Brian, anything on the old Amazon Frontier
Brian Caynan: I bought?
, do you guys know what’s c r? What the c r 2 0 3 T three two means to you? Does that sound familiar to you? Droid
Tim Cashman: C 2 0 3 2. Not, not, not a clue. They
Brian Caynan: are, , those dis dis style batteries that go in, like, , like air tags or just little things around the house. So like there’s small disc batteries, might air tag is dying.
So I had to buy kind of a few of those, , cheaper on Amazon. , and I also did up the f s A store just to get a few things like, uh, uh, as you talked about before, I run a lot so I had to buy some more, , glucosamine, I dunno if you guys are familiar with that, but it’s like a. Like a, a medication for your, not a medication, but it’s kinda like a supplement for your joint.
, so I take that. So, and a few other things from the
Tim Cashman: f s A store. We know more and more about you with each podcast. Brian
John Cashman: and Tim, what dark secrets do you have to reveal through your Amazon purchases this week?
Tim Cashman: Uh, this is, this is, this is gonna be pretty revealing. , I bought Q-tips, olive oil, and a hairbrush. You bought
John Cashman: olive oil on Amazon. Oh
Brian Caynan: man. You’re the only one who know I buys
Tim Cashman: food. Your, your, your point being, is it
John Cashman: special olive oil?
Tim Cashman: Is it like, yeah, it’s the special kind that I don’t have to get in the car and drive down to Trader Joe’s or, you know, another supermarket. That’s how special it is. So it’s not made
John Cashman: by like virgin nuns and Albania or something
Tim Cashman: like that. It came from the absolute most organic place on earth, the , or Amazon fulfillment center up in Baltimore.
You don’t get much more press than that.
Brian Caynan: Oh, John, one other thing I did get, you didn’t use that on your hair
John Cashman: with your
Tim Cashman: hairbrush, did you? I did. Have you seen how slicked back my hair is? It looks great.
That
John Cashman: RI eats your heart out.
Tim Cashman: Uhhuh Brian?
Brian Caynan: I’m trying out. I’ve, I’ve been using this food service called Every Plate, so I get it every now and then.
So they’re like an offshoot off of, , what is that? Another, um, HelloFresh. HelloFresh. So I use them from now and then, so it’s something I’d recommend. Um, I made, all right. I made that for dinner last night. So yeah, give a shot.
Tim Cashman: Great. We’ll be, we’ll be right over for the leftovers. There you go. All right, Mr.
John, I Now why don’t you wrap us up with Amazon purchases?
John Cashman: Well, this week I had to pat myself on the back ’cause I fixed the toilet and because I fixed the toilet, the other toilet broke. So I had to go get, get another fluid master performance, max toilet assembly. I got that going for right.
Tim Cashman: The fulfillment center is like, what is this guy eating?
Yeah.
John Cashman: Um, and then, , we got a Avery one and a half inch economy view, three ring binder because it’s school supply time and we have to get stuff for that. But do they still have trapper keepers? Is that still a
Brian Caynan: thing? Yeah, I’ve seen that. I’ve seen them.
John Cashman: That was like the best looking abbot with the worst idea ever because I would stuff everything into a trapper keeper and it would just be this like, like dictionary size binder by the end of like week
Tim Cashman: one.
, and that’ll be the subject of our next podcast, John’s recollections of Overstuffed binders and how he has managed to have P S D D based on that. Uh, to this day,
Brian Caynan: yes. I’m sure Jake Moody has a right. Jake Moody has a right quad injury.
Tim Cashman: Okay, we gotta wrap this up because that’s, we’re, so that’s the kicking bucket.
We really need to wrap this up because we covered olive oil trail, Lance overstuffed binders and , Brian’s joints. So, , I don’t think we can go much further than this.
John Cashman: , on that note, everyone, thank you for turning into Niners talk. As always. I’m John joined by my brother Tim, and my brother from another mother.
Brian, we wish you well. Next week we’re gonna be talking Pittsburgh
Tim Cashman: regular season
John Cashman: and we’re talking regular season. Now it counts. Thanks again. If you don’t mind, leave a subscri, leave a review, subscribe, give us a like, and we’ll hear to talk to you next week. Go Niners.
