John Cashman: Ugh, what the fuck was that?
Tim Cashman: John, you have the best sighs on the planet in all the podcast universe.
John Cashman: You know, this is supposed to be therapy Tuesday, but it’s more of a pissed off Monday, A manic Monday, made famous by the Bengals. Since we lost the Bengals, I’m just not happy.
Tim Cashman: I understand. I mean, if we lost the Bengals, uh, well, at least I had Susanna Haas to look at the entire game. This was, uh, anything, uh, but pretty to look at.
John Cashman: Yeah. So how are you feeling, Tim?
Tim Cashman: I feel that Halloween came early. , I think watching The Exorcist might’ve been an easier, , easier video to watch than the 49 ERs. , there’s no, there’s no getting around it. The 49 ERs were soundly beaten yesterday by a better team. , they were out coached, they were outplayed. Uh, this team right now, uh, they’ve now lost three in a row and they have now slipped into second place in the NFC West because of Seattle’s victory over Cleveland. And they’re now two full games back of the Eagles, uh, going into a bi-week that I think they sorely need. But the schedule doesn’t get any easier after that. So the 49 ERs, uh, there’s a lot to talk about, , what is going on with the offense, what is wrong with the defense? , there’s a whole lot we we’re gonna talk about in this podcast.
John Cashman: A lot to unpack.
Brian, how are you feeling?
Brian Caynan: I’m feeling just as disappointed. Um, I feel like it’s a broken record. I know that you know everything we’ve been talking about for the last, like Three weeks is kind of just repeating itself over and over again. So we talked about that with, uh, Cleveland two weeks ago. We talked about it with Minnesota last week. And uh, yeah, it’s just kinda repeating itself. And we did talk last Tuesday, which was the 24th. Today happens to be the 30th, so it’s six days earlier. So I feel like we had the Monday night game last week. We talked on Tuesday, we thought everything would be fixed. And then it’s Sunday. And now it’s Monday.
We’re doing this podcast. So it feels like everything’s just coming together, like in it’s it’s just close. And, , yeah, I, I, I don’t know. Today was kind of disappointing, but at least I got to watch the Warriors game last night. So where
they
John Cashman: got that going for you. So, , those of you tuning in for the first time, or to some of our listeners who keep coming back, thank you. Or three obsessed Niners fans who get together weekly to talk about the 40 Niners. We do this, whether they win, we do this, whether they lose. And sometimes even when they tie.
But we don’t do it for the money, we just do it for fun. And if you have a moment, give us a, like, follow us, give us a review. We’re doing it even if it’s listening to ourselves talk. on that note,
Brian Caynan: There you go,
John Cashman: I can sell it.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: , let’s talk about this Tobacco of a game. First of all, congrats to Brian Oppenheim. , I hope he was able to watch it and enjoy the game.
and also next week we will have Michael Lono on our show. Uh, he has kindly invited me down to Jacksonville to that game, but he’s gonna give us his perspective on the Jags, but it’s about the Bengals right now.
Um.
Tim Cashman: Well, I was gonna say, uh, first of all, John, congrats, you’re first official assignment, travel assignment for this podcast. So, so way to go on that and yeah, congrats to vol. I hope he’s enjoying his Cincinnati skyline chili thing. What, whatever the thing is. Chili, pasta, cream cheese, and Fritos or something like that. But, uh, sounds about as, um, sound sounds about like the 40 hour game plan. It was kind of a mess.
John Cashman: Yes,
Brian Caynan: So, so John, when you’re, when you’re in Jacksonville, we’d like to get some audio of you, , interviewing some crazy Jags fans or, uh, some, uh, just some,
John Cashman: You know,
Brian Caynan: some, just some of the noise.
John Cashman: I’m, gonna go inconspicuous. I’m just really, really wanna win, be honest with you. But let’s, we can talk about that next week. Let’s talk about
this week. So, the Bengals, or Bengals, um, that was, , that was no bueno
from, from the beginning to end. I mean, there was some faint glimmers of hope, but there weren’t a lot of ’em.
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: So,
so Tim, just why don’t you give us some of your thoughts on the game and what you saw after looking at the, the horror show that was, , the tape this morning, ,
Tim Cashman: Well, let me preface it by saying, looks like I picked the wrong weeded to quit drinking. So, you know, this was finally at four o’clock today, I decided, okay, I’m gonna look at it. We’re gonna look at the game tape. So, . You know, the 49 ERs after the last two losses, I felt they needed to come out and they needed to establish, uh, their tempo right out of the gate.
And that did not happen. You look at the first three plays of this game, uh, four nine ERs, uh, they give him McCaffrey, he gains eight second and two, he gains one and then third in one. , they give it to youth check and uh, Jake Brunnel, the center is absolutely just shoved right into the backfield. So the four nine ERs go three and out on their opening drive.
And that is not the start you wanted when you’re a team that is, uh, is struggling. So Bengals, they get the ball and you figure, okay, if the four nine ERs are gonna make a statement, they gotta make a statement
on defense. , you know, uh, they had a shot at, at a fumble. , you know, first, first, uh, first play of the game for Joe Burrows.
Very similar to, you know, what we had with, uh, Minnesota, uh, which our various war, uh, picked it up. Four, nine ERs had an opportunity. Uh, they didn’t catch that one in because of the CMC fumble, but the four nine ERs, the ball’s lying on the ground, but, uh, Bengals were able to recover, but it really was the third and 10 where I thought, here we go again. , four, nine ERs. It’s third and 10 Bengals are on there. 31 Burrows is back, and I think two or three guys have a shot at ’em. And I felt it was gonna be a sack. And it just, John, it was deja vu all over again. Uh, almost a similar play to what we saw with Kurt Cousins, uh, against Minnesota. Uh, Burroughs is able to escape.
Uh, he even, he escaped from Nick Bosa. He throws over to the right. Um, he hits, uh, Higgins for 10 yards and a first down.
John Cashman: Mm-Hmm.
Tim Cashman: And then on top of all that, even if the Niners had sacked him, the Niners were flagged for defensive holding. So right there, that set the tone of the game. Very early Bengals score, they go up seven, nothing.
And there’s that knot in the pit of your stomach, like, here we go again. So, uh, the, the Bengals, they just seem to be firing all cylinders. Uh, Kyle Shanahan today in his press conference said his team looks slow and they look tired, and I agree. There, there just did not seem to be that, um, that, that just, you know, that intensity that we’ve seen from the 49 ERs, uh, you know, the earlier part of this year. , so it it just, it set the stage for the rest of the game. The 49 ERs were able to, to tie the game. get within striking distance, but I always felt that the 49 ERs, uh, were hanging by a thread. It was just gonna take one or two plays from Cincinnati to blow the thing open. And eventually that’s, that’s what happened.
So four Niners have a lot to work on in this bi-week. And, , we’re gonna see what they do to get, I mean, it’s gonna be two weeks, but at this point it’s like, I think they need to get back to fundamentals. They’re not tackling Well, there’s a lot of questions on the defense, so there’s there’s a lot to go through here, guys.
John Cashman: Brian.
Brian Caynan: , first initial observations, , just going with the defense. They, , I think they only, what did they do? They gave up a touchdown, touchdown, and then the goal line fumble, they, they, they made ’em punt one time. , and then another touchdown,
Tim Cashman: Woohoo.
Brian Caynan: touchdown, and then another punt. So like, you know, basically they had four touchdowns, the goal line fumble by, I can’t remember who it was.
It was a chase who fumbled it, but, um. Yeah, the defense looked like they were just, I mean, just kind of looking at the, the way that all the plays developed. They always seemed to be like, first in 10, it was always like first in 10 and they were getting 10 to 15 or t you know, 20 yards
or something on each play.
And, , that, that just always seemed to be the case. And then if they had a third and long, which was rare, Cincinnati just knew how to pick it up. They had everything from Joe Burrow scrambling for one, they had Joe Burrow, you know, making some, some dime passes. , so I don’t know. I mean, we can talk about the offense too, but I think the defense definitely, , it just, it just, I, I thought they were going to work on those inside middle passes from, you know, in watching the Vikings game. But it just, I don’t know, it just didn’t seem to work this game,
Tim Cashman: No.
And, and John, I I mentioned this during the game and I, I know you do wanna say it, but it, it, the, the 49 ERs, uh, front
four, and we’ve mentioned they’re not getting to the quarterback, they’re not creating pressure, but the linebackers, Dre and Fred Warner are about four yards off the line of scrimmage, which is fine if you can create pressure from your front floor, but that’s not happening, and that middle is just wide open.
John Cashman: Mm-Hmm, . And that was early in the game.
Tim Cashman: Yeah,
John Cashman: Like, it was like, okay, run the ball or throw these little slant hooks in. Joe Burrow and Company did that all day long.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: , I thought defensively it was the worst performance they’ve had a long, long time. , they just looked like totally outta sorts and in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
When you let somebody go 19 straight completions,
Brian Caynan: Oh
John Cashman: not doing something right.
like, call time out, like do something. , so I, the defense was, was atrocious. And, and for a unit like that with names like Hargraves, Bosa, Armstead. ,
Warner.
Gray, green Law tra various wart. There’s ung go. I mean, that shouldn’t happen.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: Um, so I think it was just a total letdown, not only from on a schematic point of view, but also just an execution point of view.
, that being said, we can switch gears to, to the offense, which again, I think was a schematic failure. , I thought Kyle did not do a very good job of putting, players in a position to, to win.
Again, I think he’s got this idea. We’ve seen this from him before where he just wants to do something and he’s gonna do it until the cows come home. And right now it’s establish the run. And so. can set your clock to it. What’s the first play?
Tim Cashman: McCaffrey.
John Cashman: What’s the second play? Christian McCaffrey.
It’s like, they’re like, oh, we gotta do the run to establish play action. Look, did you establish the run in the first eight weeks? You can start with play action, play one. you know, especially if you see, okay, there’s, here’s an idea. Call pass, play call a run play. Brock, are there eight guys staring at you in the box?
Great. Throw it off to this guy. . , I also thought the Bengals compared to the 49 ERs schematically put a lot more thought. I mean, you had Jamar Chase lined up in the slot against a nickel. I didn’t see anything from the 49 ERs that suggested creativity. It, it just . You know, I know he’s got this reputation as this, this boy genius of calling place, but he’s done this before where it’s like, I don’t see, I didn’t see it.
It looked plain vanilla to me. So Brian, any thoughts from you on just what you saw?
Brian Caynan: well, you know, the numbers speak for itself. You remember, I think it was like the first three games. The, the Niners averaged like, what, 30 points a game.
The last three games in these losses, they’ve only got 17 points.
And, you know, in a tight defensive battle, that probably will win you the game, but it’s not gonna cut it if your defense is, is definitely, , not putting up the pressure and, and not covering the receivers. , in terms of the run game, I totally agree with you. We had total opportunity, John, to take it to the 29th ranked defense for, for rushing. And, , you know, and I, I always think back to this adage of like, , running the ball will open up the pass, but passing will also open up the run.
And you kind of need that balance. And I think you’re right. That first, the first three plays of all, you know, two of McCaffrey and then the third one to use check. , you definitely gotta mix it up and I think teams are understanding that and they’re gonna bring players in the box and they’re definitely gonna go for the, they know the Niners are gonna go for the running game first now, and you know that they’re pretty one dimensional in that field, so you’re definitely gonna have to break outta that. , Tim, what do you
Tim Cashman: Yeah, no, I mean, you’re absolutely right. I mean, you, you just, I go back and I look at, uh, the game film and I mean, the Bengals had three down linemen and two ends, uh, in standing position, , you know, on, on their defensive line. And then they’re two linebackers are playing very close to the line of scrimmage. So when the four Niners snapped, the ball, McCaffrey doesn’t have, not only does he not have the lanes, he doesn’t have anything to cut back to. So he’s frankly just running into a pile of bodies
because the four Niners, uh, you know, are not winning those matchups. And maybe Trent Williams in there makes a difference. I don’t think it would be enormous, but he’s just, um. He’s just not finding the daylight that he’s seen so soon. And I, I think, yeah, I, I think the 49 ERs have become somewhat predictable in their first couple of plays. Uh, yeah. We’ll you can take McCaffrey and we’ll, we will give you, we’ll give you one, we’ll give you two.
But on third down, we’re gonna pin our ears back. Uh, ’cause we’ll rush four and drop seven. And John, you know, you mentioned, you know, we, we’ve talked about this in the last two weeks of Shanahan riding with someone, , to frankly levels that just don’t, that just don’t make a lot of sense. It’s like almost playing a video game.
You keep running the same guy over and over again. Um, in fact, I go back to the Pittsburgh game where the game was well in hand and he kept coming. He kept running Christian McCaffrey and we’re like, put in Jordan Mason.
You’ve got other guys out there.
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
Tim Cashman: And so, you know, later on we did see some play action. We did see Purdy rolling out. I think he’s better on a rollout. The Bengals looked a little off balance there, and then I was able to get some, some yardage there. But yeah, for creativity, I, I came away, fairly disappointed. , and you just thought, you know, uh, Kyle, it just, your stubbornness is not gonna win you the football game.
It’s out cushioning the guy on the other sideline there, so, and we haven’t seen that. Uh, we certainly didn’t see that LA yesterday.
John Cashman: Oh, we haven’t seen it since Dallas.
Tim Cashman: No, we have not.
Brian Caynan: Right. That’s right.
John Cashman: So, , you know, read a, read a decent amount today. , I, I think all of the, the quote unquote , I kind of almost think some of the members of the press are actual like 49 er haters, you know, who are, uh, and even people who cover the 49 ERs don’t like him, like Grant Cone and sometimes Matt Myoko. And, , COCOM just likes to feel superior.
, but a lot of people were talking about Brock Purdy, and I actually think he had a pretty good game. , he had two mistakes, could have been three, but some of his ball placement during, while we were trying to catch up was, was elite. , that. That throw a kittle when he was backed up against his own end zone, um, throwing across his body to hit Kittle again near the Bengals end zone, hitting McCaffrey in the end zone.
, really for me, that was about the only high point I saw is that he was able to keep the Niners in it with his arm and his legs. Brian, what’d you think of, of Brock? I mean, that, that’s, uh, that was my only like shining hope out of this game was okay. At least he’s trying, he’s keeping him somewhat in it.
Brian Caynan: you, you know, he did have over 300 yards passing. So what was it? 365?
John Cashman: Mm-Hmm.
Brian Caynan: I thought he looked pretty good, uh, up until the point when he was trying to throw that little loft pass to Elijah Mitchell to score that touchdown. And I can’t remember who picked it off on that on, on Cincinnati, but that was just an awesome
play.
Like, I can’t believe that guy. Like, that was amazing, but I, but I’m just kind of at a loss sometimes. I, that was like, that was a freak play to me
John Cashman: Yeah.
Brian Caynan: that that happened. , but he looked, you know, overall I’m, I’m, I’m still on Brock’s bandwagon. I, I’m, I’m definitely for him, I mean, like, you know, you’re, you’re gonna make mistakes and it’s, it’s unfortunate.
It’s, it’s kind of magnified, , because the Niners have lost three in a row. , and they’ve only put up 17 points a game. But I think he did pretty good. He had, you were right John. He had some excellent throws to kittle at the end when they were trying to do that mini comeback.
Um, yeah, we’ll just, uh, we’ll see.
Um.
I dunno. What about you, Tim?
Tim Cashman: Well, I’m gonna disagree with you guys. I am gonna be that guy. , and I’m, and I’ll preface it by saying I’m, I’m not putting this all on, on Brock Purdy, uh, uh, football, as we’ve said before, is a complimentary game. You know, all the defense offense, special teams, , they all have to, you know, if, if one side is lacking, the other has to pick it up and, and, and so forth.
But, , I thought Brock, um, well, let’s, let’s take a step back. He’s thrown four interceptions in the last two games. , hard to win football games when you’re turning the ball over. He got away with two passes that could have been picked off, , two in the first half, uh, one, which was a very similar to play to what happened in the fourth quarter, uh, when he was picked off, uh, by the, uh, Bengals linebacker. But I’m gonna go to the, um, his first pick, , in the fourth quarter. And this is, I think the, this is a growing pain for Brock Purdy. And, and he has to learn from this. , we look at that play and what it was supposed to be a, an option handoff to Elijah. Uh, and if that wasn’t, uh, going to happen, then uh, he, I think he was gonna try to shovel it to, uh, to kittle. Well, the handoff doesn’t happen, and he starts rolling to the right, it’s first down, , and it’s it’s now turned into a running place. So two things. One, if it’s not there. You know, run out of bounds. Just kill the play. Go to second down, get another opportunity. I think he was trying to make something happen, but I think he’s gotta have better game awareness.
You’re down seven, you need a touchdown. You can have two other opportunities, uh, after that. And he also should on a running play that his linemen were downfield. So even if he had completed something, it would’ve been called back. On the other interception, he was baited and he was baited, I say, would say very well by the bingo bingos linebacker.
Uh, he had thought, he, uh, pretty thought he was gonna go to his, to his right. He goes to his left, , and, and baited, purdy right into that throw. Um, so, you know, two turnover, two interceptions at least to the last two games. Is it all pretty? No, of course not. You, we’ve talked so much about the defense, but he’s gonna have to learn from these mistakes, , and as I said, you know, in the, in, in the play that, you know, was still Eli Mitchell, his first, uh, interception, he’s gotta have better game awareness. So I think, I think those are, you know, those are realistic criticisms, you know, nobody’s perfect. , but Brock has to be aware of the down distance in the game situation.
John Cashman: No, I, I don’t disagree with you on, on those. I just think if you had had any other quarterback in there, like Sam Darna, it would’ve been 31 to three.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I’m not, I’m not gonna say that. You know, we put, well, if we had, well, if we had held on to Tre Lance, everything would’ve been fine. No, no, I’m not, I’m not naive or ignorant enough to say that. I think, you know, in fairness to Brock, he is not a Patrick Mahomes. He’s not gonna throw for 400 yards.
He’s not that type of player. , so to put it all on his shoulders, uh, I think is, you know, it’s, it’s. It’s a challenge to him. He’s dealing with a lot more pressure than he has at any point in his career with the 49 ERs, and we’re gonna see how he handles it. You know, I, I think he’s, we’ve obviously seen what he can do. Now the question is, okay, after this kind of, you know, after three losses, will he be able to turn it around?
John Cashman: Yeah, I, I, think it’s gonna have to start with Kyle, though.
Tim Cashman: I agree.
John Cashman: I mean, I, we’ve seen this story before with Garoppolo.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: So, you know, I, it has to start with, with the coaching. , and I think that’s where we get better. , but, , let’s get into our, uh, review of the Keys to Victory, where the Niners actually went with a whole goose egg
Get the defense right. Number one, that was a big no
31 points. .
Tim Cashman: Th well, and four oh yards. And, and as I said, uh, to earlier, John, uh, in the last two games, the 4 4900 defense, uh, has given up 852 yards.
John Cashman: Yeah. And to be honest, that 31 points could’ve been easily more
with, if without that fumble
down at the goal line.
Tim Cashman: Yes.
John Cashman: All right, Brian, are you glad you didn’t go to that game? Going back to Levi’s?
Brian Caynan: I am so glad I sold my ticket. So, uh, yeah, I’m, I’m glad.
Um,
John Cashman: That, that didn’t
Brian Caynan: so ob obviously we thought having home field advantage would be, uh, helpful, but, , not two games away and come back at home. No, but the crowd looked fired up and I thought they would’ve allow ’em fired up because it was like, what reunion alumni weekend,
you know?
And so you kind of would’ve thought that they’d been all fired up. So,
John Cashman: actually think Joe Montana is really bad for the game. They seem to lose every time Joe Montana
Tim Cashman: Don’t say that. Don’t say that.
John Cashman: Why don’t you put him in?
Tim Cashman: Have John, have you seen the, what is it? The Geico commercial where it’s like Emmett Smith, Jerry Rice,
Randy Moss. They’re like, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah.
John Cashman: good for at least one series. Um,
Tim Cashman: It’s like,
it’s like, uh, Tony Romo said I could do Two plays.
John Cashman: Yeah, exactly.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: let’s see. , turnovers keep him positive. That didn’t happen.
Tim Cashman: That’s a negative
John Cashman: that’s a negative on that one. And then last but not least, don’t let Joe Burrow beat you. Well, when he can throw 19th Street Completions, it doesn’t happen either.
Like I do have to say, we go to the stars of the game.
, Joe Burrow is back to being Joe Burrow.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: Um, Joe Burrow was, I wish he had been playing Seattle or he’d been playing some other team other than the 49 ERs because he looked, he looked awesome.
Brian Caynan: You look pretty sharp. Yeah.
John Cashman: he looked sharp. His calf’s obviously not bothering him anymore. He had a really good game plan, , against the 49 ERs defense, and he executed on, he was fired up.
, the other thing we’ve seen. Uh oh. The Browns and the Bengals have been coming off buys. I think NFL teams are getting better about managing the buy and getting these guys rested.
Tim Cashman: Mm-Hmm.
John Cashman: , ’cause the Browns looked energetic and the Bengals looked energetic and the Niners did not. , the second, uh, stars of the game, uh, was Joe Mixon.
Brian Caynan: Oh
yeah.
John Cashman: Mixon really good running back performance. he was gashing him. Uh, you know, I don’t think the Niners had giving up a hundred yards rushing and they did in this game. Tim, is that right?
Tim Cashman: , I gotta look real quick here, but, uh, in terms, yeah, they gave up 134 yards, , rushing. They, they had given up a hundred yards, , to Cleveland. They actually gave up 160 yards to Cleveland, 105 Arizona. , but I, I think, you know, in this case it’s been, it’s been like Minnesota and, and Cincinnati. You don’t have to dominate the 49 ERs in, in the running game.
You just have to be effective. And that throws off, uh, their game plan.
John Cashman: Yeah. Well that’s,
that’s, I like to say when we win, it’s not all sunshine and lollipops. I like to actually some sunshine and lollipops. ,
Brian Caynan: been a month
John Cashman: yeah. Brian, can we improve
Brian Caynan: Huh. Well, uh, a
little bit of everything. I, I’m gonna,
I’m gonna lean on the
Tim Cashman: we, we only have four hours to kill, so, you know, it,
Brian Caynan: I mean, we, we’ve already, we’ve already, talked about the defense, the offense, but I, I, I’m gonna say overall the defense needs to improve, especially the, the pressure on, the opposing quarterback. So, you know, in two weeks when they’re playing Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, you wanna see Trevor Lawrence on the ground. And I think they only had, what, three sacks, which they probably could have had more, , against, against the Bengals. I’m have that stat right? But he won want, you wanna see the pressure upfront and then, you know, that’ll, that’ll lead to kind of everything else. I always believe, you know, with the middle of the field, with the corners, the safeties, as long as you put pressure on the quarterback, the quarterback’s gonna rush everything. And, um, yeah, that’s where I’d love to see them.
Tim what do you think?
Tim Cashman: , you have to get better on first and second down. Uh, these second and fourths, these third and shorts are, are killing the 49 ERs.
John Cashman: ,
we talking offense or defense?
or both?
Tim Cashman: I’ll, I’ll get to the office in a second, but, , I think, you know, going back to the defense, you know, Richard Sherman said on his podcast today that, um, he, he, he looks at the Niners, they’re playing a lot of man on first and second down, and that the defensive line seems to be trying to do some sort of intricate pass rush technique that he does not seem to be working.
He’s like, get back to the fundamentals, get back to simply playing football and getting after guys. I
mean, if you make a mistake then you know, okay, you know, make a mistake, but crash down on these guys. Don’t let these guys push you around on the line of scrimmage. But I think, you know, after hearing everything we’ve said so far on, on the defense and, well, I know I’ll talk more about the offense, but from what I hear from you guys, this is not a talent issue.
John Cashman: No. No.
Tim Cashman: We no, we, we look at Hargrave, we look at, uh, armstead, we look at, , Bosa, we look at, you know, Warner. We look at people who are all pro. , and there it is just the, it’s not happening on the field. So, you know, I think the easy scapegoat is Steve Wilkes right now. And there’s been some talk about, you know, him now getting out of the booth and coming down to the sideline. , if that might be a plus, perhaps it will. But the 49 ERs need to put teams, , on their heels. They need to, um, play with that sort of reckless abandon that we’ve seen from before. And that has at times, you know, given up some, some big plays. , there’s no question about that. But the 49 ERs to me, the, the defensive line in particular, they look hesitant coming off the ball.
, there doesn’t seem to be any sort of, you know, I’ll meet you at the quarterback attitude. I. So, uh, yeah, I, I think you know the, there, I think frankly this, like I’ve said before, I think this team just get, needs to get back to straight fundamentals in the bi-week.
John Cashman: Yeah. Brian, any other places to improve?
Brian Caynan: Oh, , I’m gonna dwell on that topic, Tim, you were talking about with Steve
Wilkes. I did see that about, you know, people saying he should come down from the booth. I mean, that doesn’t seem like his character. He doesn’t look like a Robert Sala,
um, uh, the Dko Ryans type of guy to be down there and always fired up. , I think he can do it from the booth, but. I don’t know, but if that’s what it takes to fire up your guys, that something needs to, to be lit. Like they’re, they’re definitely playing passively and you could just see that, and I think you called it, they’re hesitant. , I don’t, I don’t know if that’s gonna change in any way or I’d love to see it kind of change, but I don’t know.
There needs to be some sort of motivation or fire with the defense
John Cashman: I tend to think, and I think this is for both offense and defense, they’re overthinking. don’t,
Brian Caynan: they know they’re good.
John Cashman: yeah. It’s like, don’t come up with this intricate whatevers and what it is. Like, you four, it’s real simple. Go get that guy. And then Fred and Dre . Enforce the middle. And then you’ve got enough guys that can cover, because if they can crash down in under two seconds, no quarterback’s gonna be able to get off big plays.
, and Fred and Dre have always played really well when they’re, you know, up against the line. Then when you have a third and long, then you know, you, you put everybody near the first down marker and tackle before they get there. I mean, it’s not, it’s not rocket science,
but the same thing goes on offense.
Like, don’t get all this like, well I have to do this chess match ’cause I might be playing Seattle in four weeks. Like, no. With the, right now, like , it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a week to week league, you know, start something new each week, you know, don’t like, I love Christian mcc. He is a warrior. He is awesome.
He has scored 17 touchdowns in a row. Do something different, make it
easier on Brock, make it easier on Christian. , and I just don’t see it like, and it’s just, it’s, it’s frustrating as all get out because I am by no means a football expert when I’m like, okay, well guess what, Christopher McCaffrey’s coming.
Like, you don’t think the defense knows that? So,
Brian Caynan: You know, one thing I wanted to point out, like you can definitely see the frustration level on some of the players. ’cause I did see, um, Christian McCaffrey on TV kind of say to Brock, like, gimme the F-ing ball.
Um, I don’t know if you guys saw that, but
if you,
Tim Cashman: I did not see that. No.
Brian Caynan: if you say that, if you like, I think they were in a huddle and I think they were just, it was probably around the third or the fourth quarter. Um, I think when he was, he, he, it was like, I think they were always getting, they were getting stopped and I can’t remember the context, but I did see, my friend was telling me that, um, he was saying that to him, gimme the effing ball. And, uh,
John Cashman: Well, I, I remember Garoppolo once getting into a play from from Kyle, and he is like, same fucking play and just shaking his head. So yeah, he gets in these things. So anyway, , since we’re at the, the half hour mark, let’s talk about my other shit shows going on, which is my betting results. I actually didn’t know it was possible to go oh four for four weeks in a row.
So,
Brian Caynan: what?
John Cashman: yeah. So this is my last betting segment. We’re killing it here. This is when it dies. Um, yeah. So, , oh, and three through 1326 and one the commanders actually had the eagles on the ropes
Brian Caynan: Yeah, they did
John Cashman: plus six and a half and let them off the ropes and. Couldn’t get that sorted. The Jets and Giants just played in a monsoon and with Zach Wilson and the third String Giants quarterback.
So that was a whole, that was a punt fest. And Cleveland and Seattle, fucking Seattle. I mean, end of the game scores, it goes over. So that’s it. That’s the end of the John Cashman betting segment. For the Niners talk. You’ll have to go find your opposite betts and do well someplace else. . So, , so Brian, that brings us to
Brian Caynan: Uh
John Cashman: Niners trivia time.
I don’t know if it’s a, a themed one, a mid-season theme of, you know, have we gotten ourselves back on track theme?
Brian Caynan: I, I just, I found this week kind of interesting. So,
John Cashman: Oh, good.
Brian Caynan: not, yeah, they’re not, they’re not kind of, they’re, they’re not, obviously it’s not Jaguars themed yet. So, uh, this week is bi-week. Bi-week themes. So I didn’t know you could actually have enough content to put for a bi week, but I’ll tell you guys. Okay.
John Cashman: Why? That’s the Google
Brian Caynan: um, let’s see. I think, I think Tim’s gonna know this one, but the NFL brought back the buy in what year?
Tim Cashman: 1990.
Brian Caynan: John
John Cashman: 1991
Brian Caynan: What a contrarian.
John Cashman: Yeah.
Brian Caynan: All right. Tim says 90. John says 91. Okay. , question number two. Since then. What is the earliest the Niners have had their bi week and what is the
latest The Niners have had their bi weeks. So this is a two part question.
John Cashman: I’m gonna go with 2019 would be their earliest when they had it in week four the latest. I have no idea.
Tim Cashman: I am gonna, I’m gonna agree with John. It was 2019, uh, the latest, I’m just gonna have to do a shot in the dark here. I’ll say 2021.
Brian Caynan: 20, 21.
Tim Cashman: Yeah,
Brian Caynan: Okay. You guys want to hint in any way or, uh,
John Cashman: Nope. Oh, okay. Tim. Tim’s greedy.
Tim Cashman: yeah. I like to cheat too,
Brian Caynan: I will say Meucci in the
Tim Cashman: Oh,
Brian Caynan: era.
Tim Cashman: all right. Uh, then I’ll go, uh, I’ll go 2003.
Brian Caynan: Okay.
Tim Cashman: Actually no, 2002. 2002.
’cause 2003, I.
think we had Dennis Erickson.
Brian Caynan: Yep. Okay. , so we talked about, so you guys said 19 90, 91 is when the NFL schedule I will
give you Yes. That did happen, uh, in those two years. So, but before that, the NFL actually did have bi weeks in 19 50, 19 60, and 1966.
So the Niners joined the league in 1950. So I’m gonna see here, if you guys can guess this, the reason why they brought these teams in was because they brought in expansion team.
So it was, it was even, let’s say 12 teams or 14 teams, and they had to bring an extra team in for expansion. So, lemme see if you can guess this one in 1950, which were the teams that came in that made the league uneven in 1960. Which team came in to make it uneven. And then in 1966, which team came in to make it uneven?
Tim Cashman: All right. So, uh, start at the first one. So, in 1950, which of the teams that came into made it , made it uneven?
Brian Caynan: Mm-Hmm?
Tim Cashman: Uh,
John Cashman: Los Angeles Superchargers. I have no idea
Tim Cashman: uh, it was, well, one was the Niners and the other was the Cleveland Browns. I, I don’t know of the third one that would’ve come in.
, those are the only two ones I think
John Cashman: The Dallas Texans.
Tim Cashman: that was the AFC John.
Come on, .Um, what was the second one? What was the second question? Uh,
in 60 19 60, they make it uneven, I’m gonna say Minnesota Vikings.
Brian Caynan: Okay.
Tim Cashman: And
then what was, was there a third
66? ,
John Cashman: The chefs.
Tim Cashman: no, ’cause they were still in the AFL, uh, so, uh, they didn’t merge until the 69, 70 season or 71 season. So, um, I’ll go with the Saints.
Brian Caynan: Okay. That was, those were good educated guesses.
Tim Cashman: Thank you.
Brian Caynan: All right.
That’s it.
Tim Cashman: I did go to Villanova.
John Cashman: Whoa,
Brian Caynan: All right,
let’s move on. Thanks.
John Cashman: All right, so now we’re at midseason.
All right. How are we feeling about the Niners right now? Because it’s, it’s been a little roller coaster, like we click,
click, click, click, click, click
Tim Cashman: Sort of like the edge of Great America,
John Cashman: yes.
Tim Cashman: It’s like, you wanna do it again?
John Cashman: No.
Tim Cashman: No.
Brian Caynan: really
John Cashman: So I, I have two thoughts.
Um,
Tim Cashman: Yep.
John Cashman: one is, one’s positive and one’s a little was dark. The first thought, , is we’ve been here before with Kyle Shanahan. It’s actually his best, second, best record at week eight, , since 2019. So he went, he was undefeated, eight and oh, and then now he’s five and three. You know, we’ve, we’ve been much worse.
So, and he’s dug himself out plenty of times before a last of seasons left, et cetera. , so my, my positive thought is they’ll recover from this. They’ll be stronger, they’ll go on a run. Number one, seed’s, not totally out of, you know, reach, because Eagles still have a brutal schedule. Seattle still has a brutal schedule, and the nier still can beat all those teams.
Here’s my pessimistic thought. This reminds us, this season reminds me of a lot of Harbaugh’s last season when they went eight
and eight and they just couldn’t execute. Um, you know, it started off strong obviously, but they were in the NFC championship the year before. , they just couldn’t, they couldn’t get it going.
And I just remember, you know, the brutalness of that Thanksgiving game against Seattle. We’re playing Seattle on Thanksgiving again. are my, those are my two thoughts. And right now I’m, I’m feeling a little more darker than I am optimistic. Tim
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Uh, you know, if we had to give, uh, the four Niners a grade at the, at this, uh, point, I’d give ’em AC,
, just because they, you know, they race out to this five and oh start. But the last three games, , we, we just seen, we’ve seen, uh, breakdowns and we saw the worst breakdown, uh, in the last one, uh, against the mingles. , I’m gonna share the pessimism. Pessimism with you, uh, John. because I don’t like how well Kyle’s been here before and players saying, well, we’ve been here before, guys, you don’t want to be here.
John Cashman: Yeah.
Tim Cashman: This is not where you want to be. And just as just, you know, giving me, um, the answer like, well, we’ve had to fight through this before. Um, you shouldn’t be in this position. You know, two of those three losses you could have won. , and we’d be sitting here at, uh, seven and one instead of, instead of five and three and, and a really bad feeling going into a, to a bi-week. So, I agree, John, that this feels a lot like, Harbaugh’s last year where they were able to eke out some, some wins, , down the line, but it just seemed like the Niners were playing below the level of what the talent on that team,
, could do.
John Cashman: Yeah.
Tim Cashman: So, um. So, we’ll, we’ll see. But I, I’m not going into the second half of the season continuing, considering the way they have played, , the, the, the situation with the defense, uh, Kyle’s stubbornness, uh, with going to the same plays or sa same, same, same patterns. I, I, I would say, uh, and looking at the level of competition, I, I the Niners are, they got a, they got a tough challenge ahead there.
There’s no doubt about that. So is it possible they won? Absolutely. , but I’m not bringing optimism saying, yep, bring it on. Let’s go, come on. I’m more like, all right, we gotta get this right. You guys need to, you guys need to put yourself in a, you know, in a office for, for four days and figure this out.
John Cashman: Brian, do you have any sunshine or lollipops to give?
Brian Caynan: Oh, well, you, you brought me down bringing back the 2014 season. ’cause I just remember that they, they were like, what, seven and four
Tim Cashman: we’re eight and eight. Yeah.
They lost to the Raiders in Oakland. That’s where I, that that was one of the, that was a horrible loss.
Brian Caynan: And then you went to this game, Tim, but they, they, we lost against the Chargers I remember at home
and in the last minute field goal.
Tim Cashman: Uh,
and they
also blew a 28 10 halftime lead. But who’s bitter about that
loss?
Brian Caynan: I, I’m gonna try to say a little bit more positive. I, I actually, well, I am disappointed because I did think that they were gonna, this was the win that they needed to get. Like they needed, they, everybody wanted to go into the Buy with a victory be six and two. , I’m just disappointed they didn’t get it.
I’m sure everyone in the organization is just as, as disappointed as, as fans. , I think they’ll figure it out, you know, these next two weeks they’ll, as Tim as you were saying, they’ll, they’ll probably reanalyze everything from the way they call plays on offense and on defense. , you know, Brock’s gonna have to be a little bit more protective of when he’s gonna throw those, those balls deep and, um. I, I, I think they’ll figure it out. You know, they’re playing, their schedule’s gonna be a little bit like they’re playing Jacksonville in two weeks, and then they’re, and then they’re playing Tampa Bay. The, you know, three weeks from now they’re playing Seattle, Philly, and then Seattle.
So that’s gonna be a tough gauntlet.
So weeks 12, 13, and 14. So, um, but as long as they get those two wins next week, you know what they’ll, in the next two games, they’ll be, what? Seven and three, and then they can take two out of the three against those tough games. I, I think they’ll be fine.
John Cashman: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I, it’s, I completely agree. Like the path is, is there their path to number one C? Is there path, the NFC is west, is there? My big concern, and again, this harkens back to 2014 under Harbaugh, was they just, they, it is just, it was like, it was a comedy of errors every time. Like you went and looked at something, something weird
happened, you know, remember that Kaepernick fumbles the ball on the one yard line.
Uh,
Brian Caynan: Oh yeah.
John Cashman: was just stuff like that. So
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: absolutely they can get right, but they gotta show me that they can get right
you know? , and that, that’s where I’m, that’s where I’m a little mystified right now. And again, it’s, I’m glad we have a bye week, because next week we can enjoy football. Hopefully Seattle loses Dallas and Eagles are playing against each other, so you know, someone’s gonna lose there.
, and then, you know, we’ll see. Hopefully we get Deebo and Trent Williams back. I mean, the only big news coming out today was, you know, Aaron Banks has turf toe, which obviously could have affected the game, but I think Joe Feliciano did a really good job when banks was out. So I’m not, I’m not too concerned there.
, but it, it, to me it comes down to execution.
And we’ll do one more thing before we, we wrap things up. , the tread date, trade day trade, the trade deadline.
Tim Cashman: Don’t, don’t edit that. John, that was, that was, that was great.
John Cashman: Yeah.
Um, had so many bad thoughts through my head, but I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna say ’em. It’s a family podcast. , the trade line, trade deadline comes up. I’m so excited. I can’t say it. Trade deadline that comes up tomorrow. you think you’re gonna make a move?
Brian Caynan: I mean, there’s talk that they wanna pick up some sort of corner or safety. And I think, I think I talked about that. We might have talked about that like previously, if we were gonna go after some players, so they might as well, I mean, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re basically all in for the next two seasons, right?
So,
John Cashman: Mm-Hmm.
Brian Caynan: you know, anything they can to make it better. , I still think, you know, if we’re talking about the corners, I think Gibson hga, , are awesome. You know? Um. And you know, I, we haven’t seen a lot of womac lately or, uh, you know, but Lenore seems to be playing pretty good most of the time. So who knows? I think they’ll probably go after some sort of corner. I think that’s, what is my kind of thoughts? I dunno. Tim, what do you think? Do you think they’ll pick up somebody or, uh,
Tim Cashman: If they do, I’ll be surprised. I, I, I just
don’t know.
if the Niners have that much to offer, uh, in terms of draft picks or if they are gonna want to give up some of the prices for the players that are still out there. So, , not saying it can happen, but I. I, I’m not holding my breath.
John Cashman: Because you don’t wanna run out of oxygen . Um, I mean, honestly, it’s gonna happen before the, the podcast come, it’ll come, you know,
it’s gonna happen. You know, after
we finish this up, I actually think the Iers will make a move. , one, I think they need a spark of some sort. , similar to when they signed Bosa.
, I think they just, they need to feel like some kind of cavalry is coming in that’s
going to, to help ’em.
Tim Cashman: Well,
John Cashman: I think also
Tim Cashman: I.
John Cashman: that they, they also need to address, , the big problem, which is rushing the passer right now. So I think they’re gonna get an edge rusher. I can see two guys. , one, , Danelle Hunter from the Vikings.
it was, I was so sad to see Kirk Cousins go down.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Yeah.
John Cashman: you know, obviously he had an awesome game against us, but from the quarterback, , thing on Netflix. What a good dude. And, you know, I hope he recovers, he is able to play and if he decides that that’s a career, you know, he was a just a. Great person, um, and a great, um, Viking.
, and unfortunately he was with the Commanders, you know, which is just a death nail. , I think you could see Dan Danelle’s sweat, not Danelle Hunter. I could see Marque sweat. You could see Chase Young, , you could see, um, burn from Carolina. All of those teams not doing so hot right now, wanna move into um, and can get something for ’em as all these guys become free agents.
So that, that’s kind of my thought.
Tim Cashman: I’ll, I’ll, I’ll throw one other thought. I think the one guy maybe scratching his head a bit is Randy Gregory. I mean, he, when he joined the Niners, , he’s gone oh and three with the Niners, while the Broncos have, have won three straight. So I, I’m just, you know, I, I’m, I’m sort of thinking he is like, wait a minute, what, what just happened So, uh, yeah, just, just want to put that out there for a little bit of free agent trivia So
grass sometimes isn’t always greener on the other side. At least I hope it gets greener for the Niners.
John Cashman: and Randy Gregory, because right now
Tim Cashman: Yes.
John Cashman: this, we’re like, Hey, Randy , we’re just gonna cut you because for some reason it’s just not happening.
Tim Cashman: It ain’t working out. It ain’t
working out. You know, we tried this dating thing for three weeks and, you know, I’m just not feeling it.
John Cashman: um,
Tim Cashman: Anyway.
John Cashman: but, , Tim, as our, as our resident historian,
Tim Cashman: Yes.
John Cashman: I think we need some, some,
we talked about the, the debacle of the last year of Harbaugh, but why don’t you, why don’t you tell us the tale of the 1988 Niners and how they rose from the ashes of what
Tim Cashman: Um,
John Cashman: To beat the Bengals
Tim Cashman: yeah. Uh, uh Okay. So we’re, we’re going there. We have to go into history to make ourselves feel better. Okay.
Well, well, once upon a time,
the 49 ERs had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks on their roster and a Hall of Fame receiver.
John Cashman: Tim,
Tim Cashman: can probably guess how this ends.
So
John Cashman: you’re not making me feel better.
Tim Cashman: so they also had a Hall of fame coach. Well, they weren’t playing very well, and then the Hall of Famers started doing their thing and they beat the Bengal since Super Bowl 23. The end
John Cashman: Tim, you’re a horrible storyteller. Um,
Brian Caynan: Whoa, what
John Cashman: all I will say is the 19 88 49, I started off four and one. They were then five and three, and then they went on a run and they won the Super Bowl.
Tim Cashman: Yes. Yes they
did.
John Cashman: Brian, any tidbits from history that you’d like to share or would you like to give us your trivia answers?
Brian Caynan: let, let’s go with trivia and wrap this, uh,
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
Brian Caynan: wrap this up. Uh, okay. Okay. Uh, number one, , what year did the NFL Institute or bring back the bi week? Tim, you said 1990, right?
Tim Cashman: Yeah,
Brian Caynan: And then John, you said
John Cashman: 1991.
Brian Caynan: it was 1990, the year we lost to the Giants in
Tim Cashman: Well, let’s not talk
Brian Caynan: but that was
Tim Cashman: You’re making, I know. It just, we don’t need to go to the worst, one of the worst law. No. It, it still ranks as the worst loss of my 49 er
fandom.
John Cashman: covering all the fun topics today.
I
need a Quaalude to go to sleep tonight.
Tim Cashman: oh,
Brian Caynan: Ugh. All right.
Tim Cashman: I mean, I mean, why
don’t we just throw in Richard Sherman
and Crabtree while we’re at it. Let’s just make our sales feel even better.
John Cashman: Well, Richard Sherman did ruin Thanksgiving
Tim Cashman: Yeah. He did
Brian Caynan: like that. Big, big Turkey leg and
Tim Cashman: on the 49 ERs logo.
Brian Caynan: terrible. All right.
Tim Cashman: next
Brian Caynan: okay, so since 1990, , when, what has been the earliest week we’ve had to buy and what has been the latest week we’ve had to buy? So I gave you guys a hint. Mariachi. , John, what did you say?
John Cashman: Well, I said 2019, week four, but I, I had no answer for the latest one.
Brian Caynan: Okay, Tim,
Tim Cashman: I, I,
I just threw a shot in the dark. I think I said 2002. And the late,
uh, or excuse me, I
said 2019 for the earliest. I said 2002 for the latest.
Brian Caynan: Okay, so in 96 and in 98, their bi-week were in week three. So really stinking early,
um,
Tim Cashman: Hmm.
Brian Caynan: in that process. So, , and then in 2000 it was week 13, that was the latest.
So
Tim Cashman: Hmm.
Brian Caynan: that was, yeah, 2000. Okay. Uh, last question. , so I mentioned that the NFL brought the bye weeks in when the league became uneven in terms of the number of teams.
So went from even to odd. , it happened in 19 50, 19 60 and 1966. , so Tim, who joined in 1950, you said which teams again?
Tim Cashman: Uh, well, you said that there were three of them and I, I know two of ’em. I know two were the Cleveland Browns and the 49 ERs. I couldn’t remember who the third one was.
Brian Caynan: It was the Baltimore Colts.
Tim Cashman: Ooh
Brian Caynan: Who,
who went defunct and then got brought back like two or three years later.
So I think they lasted two years and then they came back.
All right. 1960
Tim Cashman: John
John Cashman: Big bra, glue factory.
Tim Cashman: Oh boy.
Brian Caynan: 1960. Which team was, it went from 12 to 13 teams.
Tim Cashman: , I think I said Minnesota.
John Cashman: I thought you said the Saints, or is that 66.
Tim Cashman: was 68 or 69.
John Cashman: Oh, okay.
Brian Caynan: 60 was the Cowboys.
Tim Cashman: Ooh,
Brian Caynan: They
John Cashman: said the Texans that should go down for positive achievement.
Tim Cashman: it
was in the wrong league.
Brian Caynan: Close. Uh, 1966. Last one, went from 14 to 15 teams. Um, Tim, you said what?
Tim Cashman: I said the saints.
Brian Caynan: Okay, John.
John Cashman: I really had no answer.
Brian Caynan: , NFC South team. It was the Atlanta Falcons who
came in
Tim Cashman: Ah,
Brian Caynan: so
Tim Cashman: all right.
Brian Caynan: that was
Tim Cashman: Well, I was in the right region. Should I get partial credit?
John Cashman: No,
Brian Caynan: Partial. Partial, uh, okay, that’s it. Only three questions this week, so I’ll
buy them related. All right,
John Cashman: Well, I. Final thoughts, Brian?
Brian Caynan: let’s just get healthy. Let’s see some Trent Williams back in two weeks. , and John, I hope you have a great trip to Jacksonville
and, um, we’ll be singing about all the great stuff that you saw and witness
John Cashman: be talking next week before I go with actually the guy who, well, I’ll be seeing the game with.
Brian Caynan: We should bring him in post game too,
John Cashman: Let, let’s see how we do
Brian Caynan: I’m thinking positive
all.
Tim Cashman: , final thoughts? I keep thinking about that scene in aliens. When the Marines are standing out there and the drop ships come in to pick ’em up, take ’em to the spaceship. And then it crashes into the building, into the ATV and somebody sings, why don’t we build a fire? Sing a couple of songs, huh? That would that work? That’s kind of where I’m feeling the team’s at right now. I’m not saying game over, but we’re almost to that point So
John Cashman: Is Kyle Shanahan Ripley in this version?
Tim Cashman: No, but I’m new saying we better get back soon because they mostly come at dark mostly. Uh,
John Cashman: Um,
Tim Cashman: take us out, John.
John Cashman: I just, I’m, I’m just really disappointed and, you know, at the end of the day, , they just need to execute better. , not only from a, um, player perspective, but I, I’m really, I’m really putting this on the coaches. I, I think schematically, they have not looked very good, uh, has looked dull and creative, uh, uncreative.
Uh, and they, they’ve been out coached, , the last, the last two weeks. And, um, you know, we should have won in, in Cleveland with, you know, Jake missing one. But, you know, those are the breaks. But, you know, I, I just feel like they, uh, they need this, they need this break and the coaching needs to improve. , and with the coaching, improve putting players in better spots, better execution will come and you’ll have a nice, you know, complimentary football.
Uh, but the Niners road is hard. Um, Jags Fox Seahawks, Eagles, Seahawks, Cardinals, Ravens Commanders Rams. So you are facing at least four top teams in that, uh, leading their respective divisions. so you’re gonna have to, if you’re gonna win a Super Bowl, you’re gonna have to beat those teams. it’s, uh, put up for s sub time now for the Niners.
. So for all of those that you’ve been tuning in, that we thank you again. , we’ll be back next week to, uh, go over what’s happened the week before. Uh, there’s anything with the trade and if how the Niners are fared with Seattle or other games and to preview the Jaguars game with our, uh, show’s friend and my friend, uh, Michael Ocado.
other than that, be pissed off, but stay faithful. a good
one.
Tim Cashman: am trying
