John Cashman: What is going on, Niners Nation? It’s Victory Tuesday? No, it’s not. Thanks, Jake Moody. No, it’s just fuckin Tuesday.
Tim Cashman: Oh, that, that just, that hurts. That, that’s wrong. That’s evil.
John Cashman: Well, don’t be a kicker then.
Tim Cashman: That’s all I can tell you. It’s not Jake’s fault. And we’re gonna get into that, I know.
John Cashman: We are now one third of the way through the season, and how are we feeling? Brian, how are you feeling on this non victory Tuesday?
Brian Caynan: I have chosen, as I said in our text thread, not to really read much to the game.
I hate reliving losses and I’m feeling okay. I’m trying to feel positive for next week. So, uh. I’ve got other stuff to keep me preoccupied this week.
Tim Cashman: Like family and work and, you know, weird stuff like that? Oh, okay. I thought we were all about the podcast. Normal stuff, okay. Alright, yeah. I guess football does take a backseat to some things.
Yes.
John Cashman: Tim, how are you doing?
Tim Cashman: Well, I’ll just say that, yes, I did go back and re watch the game, and it’s worse the second time around. So, it’s like, uh, yeah, it’s like, alright, let’s go back and watch a painful memory. But, you know, we said last week in our podcast that for the 49ers to lose, they were going to have to make a lot of self inflicted…
And I think David Lombardi put it best where he said in order for the 49ers to lose, a lot has to go wrong and a lot did go wrong. But at the same time, they were in a position at the end of the game to kick the game winning field goal. And Moody, you know, he pushes the kick, you know, a couple of feet over the left.
We’re having a much different conversation. But as it is, 49ers have their first loss of the year, 19 72. A very good Cleveland Browns defense. Let’s give credit where credit is due. The Browns defense is as good, if not better, uh, than advertised. And the 49ers, Brock Purdy was under pressure for most of the game.
, we lost some key guys. Debo, CMC. Drake Greenlaw wasn’t out there, but still, the 49ers were in a position, uh, to, to steal one. , but, we’re gonna see, we, we knew that at some point Brock Purdy and this team was gonna face adversity. It’s here now, and we’re gonna see how they respond next Monday night against, , the 2 4 Vikings.
So, first loss of the year, , it’s 5 1, I don’t think we need to ring the panic meter just yet, uh, and cut Jake Moody, but, , It is what it is, uh, but again, hats off to Cleveland, they played the game on their terms, their defense is outstanding, certainly a lot better than what we thought, uh, well, I think the Browns were probably what we thought the Cowboys were going to be, and, you know, it’s, at this point we’re 5 1, but silver lining, the Eagles lose, and the Seahawks lose, so the Niners didn’t lose any ground.
John Cashman: Yeah, so, , for those of you turning in for the first time, we’re three Obsessed Niners fans who get together weekly to talk about our beloved 49ers. , if you get a chance, you know, follow us, leave a review, give us a like, and last week was our, probably one of our most subscribed episodes. To all of those of you who are listening again, thank you.
But this week we’re talking about the Browns game, going over it, and looking forward to the Minotaur football game against the Vikings. So, so yeah, uh, I don’t think I have sworn a lot in football games this year except for this one. I said the word fuck a lot. , it just seemed to me that the Niners…
Were just out of sync the entire game. Like, it was a lot of them. , Brock Purdy missing timing routes with Iuke. Brick Moody pushing left and pushing, uh, pushing left and pushing right. Did you, did you just call him Brick Poodie? No, I said Brock
Tim Cashman: Purdy, Brock Purdy. , but
John Cashman: yeah, it just says, as Tim said, a lot really had to go wrong for the Niners to lose this game, including the weather, the refereeing was not good.
, it could have definitely been better. , but the Browns are, are for real and I think they’re going to. , be pretty formidable. You have a good defense. Yeah. You know, you can win, you can win games. , just ask the jets right now. So, so Brian, just overall thoughts on the game. I,
Brian Caynan: It’s funny when, when Tim used the word adversity, like, you know, a team like this with all these expectations, you know, of Super Bowl or bust.
One loss, uh, you know, equates to adversity and, and hopefully, you know, the team will rally around that. , you know, watching this game on TV, I kind of, you know, I, I came home probably around the second quarter and, , you know, ten, I mean, John, I know you texted us when I was out, um, during the first quarter that CMC scored and I thought that was pretty early because I think it was about maybe five minutes into the game.
Yeah. And I thought it was going to be, I thought I was going to. I constantly hear those texts, like, you know, CMC scored, IUK scored, and, you know, my player of the week I thought was going to do really well was Debo, I thought he was going to score. And I, I was expecting to hear those, hear that, hear that thread, and I did not.
And when I came home and turned it on around the second quarter, , you know, I, it just showed that the Niners were in a dogfight, , and the Browns really showed up today. So, er, showed up on Sunday. Um, that’s kind of my thoughts on the game and, , you know, we’ll see how they can do next week, uh, against Minnesota.
So
Tim Cashman: I thought
John Cashman: Stefanski put it right, is that they dragged the Niners into the mud with them. I thought that was a pretty good way
Tim Cashman: of looking at it. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. I would say, you know, as Brian was just saying there, the 49ers early on, I felt had real control of the game. Their first drive, they go right down to the field.
, McCaffrey, he rips off a 27 yarder. It’s extended because of the face mask penalty. And I think that’s maybe, what, four face mask penalties that McCaffrey has endured so far this year. But they score quickly. And then Cleveland’s first drive ends in the Fred Warner interception, and the Niners are in business at the 26th, and they go, and they go backwards, and Moody comes in, he misses a 50 yard field goal, and you just get that feeling like, okay, that you don’t want to let those slip by, so I felt the Niners had several opportunities in the first half to move forward.
Really, I mean, if Cleveland’s playing from behind, I mean, by two, by, by, uh, you know, two possession scores, , I think they’re really in trouble because that puts it, that puts it all on Walker. Uh, but as a result, as you said, John, , we wanted to drag the 49ers into the mud with us. And that’s exactly what they did, because Walker, I didn’t think he played great, but he played, he was effective when he had to be.
But it was the running game that was really, , that the, that the Browns were able to sustain and keep Derives, particularly in the second half, going. So, missed opportunities in the first half. , you know, Niners go in 10 7. You just knew at that point, as you and I were talking, John, It was gonna be a slugfest.
Yeah.
John Cashman: And this is where I thought the Cleveland game plan was better than the Niners game plan. , when I watched the Cleveland Browns screened the Niners wide nine to death. And I was just thinking while I was watching the game, like, We have the same defensive alignment. You know, can’t we? Why can’t we do some screens? And I understand Debo got her heard and then later McCaffrey, but I’m like, Jordan Mason can’t catch the screen. Elijah Mitchell can’t catch the screen. I just, I never under George Kittle can’t catch the screen. It just seemed to me that it was way too conservative in terms of how he was calling the game.
, it was just a dud to me in terms of how Kyle kind of called the game and the timing was really off. , you know, again, it was, it was just, it just wasn’t a good game. You know, but as you’ve said, we were still in a position to win it and pull out, you know, victory from the jaws of defeat and unfortunately, Jake, Jake just missed.
So. So anyway, uh, Brad, any other thoughts or specifics that come to mind on the Cleveland game?
Brian Caynan: , Tim brought up a good point about the rushing. You know, like, I was watching the game and, and Kareem Hunt had a couple, you know, he had about 47 yards and it was that, they were running back to room four, it had close to, had like 84 yards.
So just kind of watching those things. Seeing that kind of slow death that we would have, that the Niners would have applied on, on someone else, , to have that kind of come back on us, , was kind of disheartening. , but, you know, that’s something that, you know, if CMC didn’t get hurt, I’m wondering, you know, how would, how would the tables have turned?
, because I wanted, you know, as you, as you kind of mentioned there about the play calling. You wanted to see more rushing because, like, Jordan Mason, he did, he had some pretty good, pretty good runs. And, , you know, he got that score and, uh, you would have wanted to see more of him.
Tim Cashman: Mason only carried for five, uh, only carried five times, but, but for 27 yards.
, but I mean, CMC, I mean, he’s, he’s got the 27 yarder to start the game. He’s After that, , you know, his total, so he had 27 yards on that first carry. For the game, he had 43 yards. So if you take that attempt to wait, he’s only rushing for 1. 6 yards per attempt. Which tells you exactly what Cleveland is doing there.
You know, I think, I’m going to throw this out there and say, I think the Debo injury was more unsettling to the 49ers than the CMC injury, and here’s why. John mentioned the lack of screens. I would have thought that Shanahan had Debo been in there. Would have been calling more of those. I know they tried one to Ray Ray McLeod, , which just got blown up.
But I think the Debo injury, I mean, I see Shanahan putting Debo in the backfield as a back with his speed, with his power, uh, he can get to the edge, he can, you know, push guys for. , a couple of extra yards, so you’re looking at, you know, a second and four instead of a second and six. But at the same time, you know, with, with Devo being out, the 49ers in the second half, offensively, just went backwards.
And, , we’ve talked about the Cleveland defense, but they brought in some blitz packages that, , Purdy had absolutely no time to throw. And it just, yeah. Go ahead, Brian. It just seemed
Brian Caynan: like that pocket was totally collapsing on,
Tim Cashman: on Yeah, in the second and third, excuse me, third and fourth quarters, , the 49er offense could not get anything going and, you know, you look at their, um, their second half possessions, , you know, results are interception, punt, punt, punt, the Jordan Mason touchdown.
Punt and then they missed the field goal at the end of the game. So, , yeah, I, I, John, I don’t know if it’s, if it, if it was the game plan, I, I think it was more a deebo being out myself. I think you would’ve seen those screens more of, but um, also, you know, with the Cleveland defense, they weren’t, they were just not to get able to get into any rhythm whatsoever in the second half.
Yeah,
John Cashman: no, I agree. I just. Like I said, it was just a confluence of factors on why the Niners lost. , really good defense, uh, rained a little bit, uh, timing was off, you know, early body clock game, refs did not have a great day on the field, and it just, yeah, it just wasn’t, it wasn’t meant to be. So, but as we always do, let’s look over our keys to victory.
, First one we had was contain a mobile quarterback and it actually wasn’t Deshaun Watson. And I wouldn’t really put PJ Walker in the mobile quarterback category. So we kind of, I think we generally did this. , and then two is don’t have a letdown game. Now Brian, do you think the Niners had a letdown game?
Brian Caynan: , I was going to ask that same question. I, I do think that, uh, of course I, I uh, I think that. So, . I, I don’t know if they, , took the, took the, uh, foot off the gas a little bit this week, but it, it definitely, , you know, I, I don’t know, right, I don’t know if it was something about the early game or if they were just so hyped up about beating Dallas and, you know, and how enthusiastic all of us were on last week’s podcast.
, you know, it was, it was bound to happen. Um, I expected them to lose some game. They weren’t going to go 17 0. But I just did not expect that to happen kind of this, , this week. So… Yeah, what
John Cashman: I found interesting, I didn’t realize this until I read it the other day, is that when we lost to Atlanta last year, it was also Week 6.
, but I, I kind of think that this is a letdown game. More on the fact that we didn’t execute. I didn’t really, I thought the Niners were flying around and doing everything they could. To win, , so I didn’t see they were flat. They were just, just out of sync. I mean, we had, there’s no like Tim, how many missed tackles did we have?
Tim Cashman: , I think we had 18 missed tackles that we counted up. Yeah.
John Cashman: And, and before that we had nine combined over four games. So it was just, it was just slobby. Tim, would you put this as a letdown game?
Tim Cashman: Um, no, I wouldn’t put it as a letdown game. I, I think, frankly, , the Niners were just out of sync. I, I think a lot of things hit them at the same time.
, what I did not expect was so many self inflicted, uh, penalties. Uh, that was, we haven’t seen that all year. , but, you know, when you, when you start, you know, you’re, you’re on your 25, you know, the first, first down is a holding call. Now you’re second and 20. Next thing is a false start. Now you’re second and 25.
So, you know, if you’re the Cleveland defense, you’re just pinning yours back because you know exactly where the 49ers are going to do it. They’re going to rush the passer and they do it very well. , but no, I mean, I thought the play of the defense, , you know, they, uh, I think they came, they came to play.
I mean, Fred had a great game. It was great to see Randy Gregory, uh, in there as well. Well, , it’s just, you know, at this point, I think you just talk it up to today. The football gods decided this was what was going to happen. And football is an imperfect game. And, you know, calls, penalties, whether it’s all those things create the perfect storm.
And the Niners were upset by, , by Cleveland.
John Cashman: Well, there you go. The other thing Cleveland had going for it, and I actually think this was an advantage. They’re coming off their buy. They looked, they looked fresh and ready to go. Oh yeah. Yeah. , and I, I actually think for them, it was, it was a bit of an advantage.
, and you know, last week we, we faced the number one defense in Dallas. This is the number one defense. I agree. Uh, uh, I love the Niners. There’s a great defense, but that defense was scary. Good. And it’s. It’s scary good in the fact that the only guy I know, or there’s two guys I know, is Miles Garrett and Zedarius Smith, but the other guys were flying around and they were, they were maintaining their gaps, they played man coverage, they got some very good wide receivers, and that defense was, was real.
Yeah.
Brian Caynan: Yeah, , they brought in , Jim Schwartz this year as their new um, As their new defensive coordinator and he he really it really showed like I didn’t know he’s he’s coached like Detroit back in the past and I remember his His, uh, his run-ins with Harbaugh. Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. Day.
But he, he really, yeah, , he, he really brought a really strong defense. I, I was just impressed kind of the way , they did things
Tim Cashman: there. And so, and here’s the telling statistic. The four eight Iers did not have a single first down in the third quarter, , prior to their final drive, they had one mm-hmm.
first down in the, in the second half. So, yeah. Yikes. Yeah.
John Cashman: So, Looking forward a little bit, this is the worst offensive performance we’ve seen for the Niners. Sam, what do you think the opposing defensive coordinators are going to look at and what Jim Schwartz did and try and copy?
Tim Cashman: Well, obviously they were able to shut down the running game.
When the Niners can’t lead on that and, , And you’re putting them in second and longs and third and longs consistently. Well then, you know, you’re bringing in blitzes, , to protea, you’re throwing off his timing. Uh, and we saw that, you know, he was behind and in front of his receivers to Iuke, I think on…
Three or four occasions. , he missed see, I know the, the play, there was a play in the second, , second quarter where he tried to hit CMC. Ended up being a free play. Cleveland had jumped offside, but he tried to hit CMC down the right sideline and just. Overthrow him by about two or three yards and you just kind of look at the back of those players and said, you know That could have made a difference that could have made a difference.
So Yeah, I I think you know You’re gonna you’re gonna try to bottle up the Niners game as much the Niners running game as much as possible and force Purdy to beat you. Uh now we’re you know, I know we’re going to talk about the vikings here in a second But you know the vikings, , I think defense right now is ranked 28th , so, you know, they’ve, I think they’ve got one of the worst, uh, run defenses in the league.
So, that’ll be a tough, that’ll be a tall challenge for the Vikings, , to emulate, uh, what Cleveland did, uh, this past Sunday. Yeah,
John Cashman: , and then the last key to victory was, we thought a new star would shine. Nobody shined.
Tim Cashman: I mean, uh, this is the Maybe! Maybe Randy Gregory. Maybe. He had a sack.
John Cashman: Yeah, well we had a little talk.
Yeah, we talked more on, on offense, I think, because, you know, Ronnie Bell was nowhere to be found. And, and he’s been kind of one of, one of my favorites this year. Jawan Jennings was starting to shine a little bit, , towards the end of the game. , you know, George Kittle only had one yard receiving. Again, I, I still kind of push this onto , the game plan.
Like, it just, it just felt like a dud. I just don’t think Kyle, Kyle did this. So, well let’s, let’s get to our stars of the game. Yeah, we only have three this week. So, Brian, who is your star of the game?
Brian Caynan: . Well… I really didn’t have any. Okay. It’s fine. I’ll go with Randy Gregory cause he had that one sack and he’s new to the squad.
So, oh, , and Lenore, uh, right? You got that pick. So I will say, those
Tim Cashman: are my two. You know, it’s funny,
John Cashman: we didn’t mention Randy in our lead up, uh, I kinda forgot he was on the team, but Tim, I was impressed. , that was about the one shining light in that game. Randy Gregory played really
Tim Cashman: well. Yeah, I, I mean, he, he does get a sack
I think he’s gonna be a great, , compliment to, to bosa. , you know, if they can collapse the pocket. I think particularly against, , a quarterback like Kirk Cousins, um, who we know is not mobile. He’s not gonna, you know, he’s, he’s not gonna pull, , Uh, anything like a, um, Deshaun Watson or any other, uh, Russell Wilson, where he’s gonna gash it for, you know, 18 yards on 3rd and 10.
So, yeah, he’s, Niners definitely have a lot of weapons , on defense, uh, so I’m looking forward to seeing, uh, what he can do, uh, the rest of the season.
John Cashman: Yeah, especially as he learns the system, so. Tim, who
Tim Cashman: is your star of the game? Well, I, I’m going to give it to the defense. , you know, it wasn’t their best game, but they were opportunistic.
You know, Fred gets the pick. Lenore gets the pick, um, and that’s where Cleveland had all the momentum. Lenore makes the pick, Niners score on the next play, they take the lead. , Bosa sacks Walker on a third down, uh, to force a long field goal. Um, Cleveland did end up making it, , to pull within one.
So, they were opportunistic. That’s why I don’t think the 49ers, , dialed this one in. , but the Niners were, the Niners defense was making plays to keep the, to keep the whole team in the game, , and, and did so because, you know, as we’ve said at the outset of this podcast, Niners were in a position to win the game, uh, on the last play.
John Cashman: , so my star of the game is Fred. , I saw an interview with him earlier in the week where he was talking about Quan Alexander and Quan used to carry a football around the facility like all the time And take it to practice, you take it to meetings, and Fred started doing that when he, you know, he was kind of under Kwan’s, uh, Kwan was his mentor.
And then this week, uh, right before the Dallas game, he started doing it again, and he, you know, he got his pick. And I think, if I’m willing to bet, he’s still doing it because he got his second pick. And, you know, he’s just the heartbeat, he keeps that defense going, another pick. I think he had eight or so tackles.
, but again, just another, another defensive player of the year performance. Really looked good. And, , Just excited to see how he just keeps this defense going. Yeah, the week was weird. It was just a weird week with the Eagles losing and I mean the Buffalo almost lost, but let’s get to my bets.
So another 0 4 week. I had , the Niners and Browns over 39. Once again, it’s a field goal. That does it to me. If Jay could hit it, I would have been over 39. But he didn’t. He missed two, so we were under. , I will never do this again but I bet on Seattle plus two and a half over the
Tim Cashman: Bengals. Blasphemy.
Blasphemy. Yes. And God
John Cashman: said, I have been smited.
Tim Cashman: We
John Cashman: lost that one. , Saints and Texans over 41. This was on track and then they stopped playing football. Like, they just, nobody got in the end zone. So, that was over 41. And then Tampa Bay, Detroit. Being, , more defensive and Tampa Bay just did not execute. , I blame the uniforms.
Those creamsicle
Tim Cashman: uniforms are awful.
John Cashman: I don’t know why they’re like, I’ll bring back the creamsicle, but they
Tim Cashman: look awful. They never really were successful when they wore those uniforms. They don’t know. It’s like the 49ers. It’s like, don’t bring back those black uniforms. Bad, bad juju. Don’t
John Cashman: do it. So yeah, so we are 13 19 1.
So if you’re betting the opposite side of me… Congratulations, you’re doing very well right now. But, I’m determined to get this back on track, so this week’s bet, , Detroit’s playing Baltimore, , and Detroit is the underdog at plus three. I mean, they’re playing in Baltimore, but Detroit, to me, is right now one of the best teams in football, and they are sneaky good.
And I think they’re going to be the Niners biggest competition for the number one seed because of their strength of schedule. , but I think, I think they’re going to beat the Ravens, who have looked suspect this year, even though Lamar’s having an awesome year. Jared Goff just looks great. Shout out to Marin Catholic.
, but yeah, he looks great. Um, and then based off having watched the Browns, they were, , only favored by two over the Colts. Uh, Colts, yeah, Colts didn’t look that great. I mean, they’re visiting Indianapolis, but, , Minshew’s gonna be the quarterback for a good long time, and I think Deshaun’s coming back.
So, I kinda like that one. And then it’s Rams plus three. I wrote actually in the notes over the Rams, so that seems a little odd. Um,
Brian Caynan: they are playing, I was just looking at that, um, Rams are playing the Steelers.
John Cashman: Oh, that’s right, yeah, so I’m going with that one because the Steelers offense is not good. , and the Rams have been in it, and then the Dolphins over the Eagles, I’m going with the Dolphins.
, the Eagles… Just lost to the Jets. They’ve been winning ugly. , and they really haven’t beaten anybody. Just yet. And this Dolphins team on offense is like a track meet. So, I’ll be curious to see what Fangio comes up with to keep Jalen Hurts guessing. Um, but right now, AJ Brown, something like 50 percent of their offense, so you take him out of the game, I think you’re going to win.
So those are my four bets this week. , the Niners are six and a half over Minnesota, but I’m not touching that because
Tim Cashman: don’t mess with the mojo.
John Cashman: Yeah. Don’t mess with the other stat. I saw, I heard this morning, which is interesting is there have been more games decided by three points or less than almost any time in NFL history.
And scoring is actually down this year. So, I was kind of taking that under advisement and, , kind of looking for games where I’m like, okay, you know, I’m not going to bet against the Niners, but looking for games that I’m like, okay, plus three, plus two in those kind of pick ems, , in terms of like what we’re gonna, what we’re gonna get.
So, yeah, I’m feeling, I’m feeling good about these ones. So,
Brian Caynan: yeah, it’s funny, John, all the, all the games you picked this week could be decided by a field goal, like all the scores here. So Detroit and the Ravens, and then the Browns and the Colts. I’m hoping they’re not a field
John Cashman: goal. I would like a less stressful.
Sunday. , which is nice ’cause Sunday is actually a day to just enjoy
Tim Cashman: football. I was going to say, you . Yeah. We will have a less stressful, we will have a less stressful Sunday. We can enjoy our red zone. Yeah,
John Cashman: exactly.
Brian Caynan: So, so John, you’ve also said that you’ve lost like the last two weeks in a row, right?
Where you haven’t won. So I guess everyone should take the opposite bet.
Tim Cashman: We still love you, John.
John Cashman: I will rise like a phoenix. Sprinkle money, I’ll just be making it rain all over the place. Ravens,
Brian Caynan: minus three.
Tim Cashman: Colts, plus one. Steelers. Yeah. And John, John springs for appetizers at Applebee’s.
John Cashman: Yeah. On a date night. On a date night.
Tim Cashman: Oreo shake.
John Cashman: Anyway. What brings us to this time of Niners Trivia time with Brian.
I’m guessing a Minnesota themed Niners Trivia.
Brian Caynan: You got that right. Okay,
Tim Cashman: so… If you ask a question about Fargo, I’m really going to be impressed.
Brian Caynan: Oh, I should have put that in there as my hint. Darn it, number five. No. Uh… Alright, alright, okay, so… In 1959, the ownership group of Bill Boyer, Max Winter, and H. P.
Scoglin were awarded an AFL franchise. The Minnesota franchise became an NFL franchise after which city backed out?
John Cashman: , I’m gonna go with
Tim Cashman: St. Paul. I’m gonna go with, um… I’ll go with Kansas City.
Brian Caynan: Okay. All right. So John says St. Paul, which is in Minneapolis, which is right near Minneapolis. And then Tim, you’re saying
Tim Cashman: Kansas City. Yeah, I’m thinking maybe it was, , something along the lines of the Dallas Texans who eventually became the, uh, Kansas City Chiefs, if memory serves.
John Cashman: I knew there was a reason I didn’t like my homes.
Tim Cashman: That’s, that’s, that’s stretching it a tad.
Brian Caynan: Uh, all right. Question number two, Minnesota great number 10, Fran Tarkenton played quarterback from 1961 to 1978. What team was he traded to in the middle of that? And how many years was he their quarterback?
Tim Cashman: , it was the New York Giants. I think he was there for two years.
John Cashman: Whatever
Tim Cashman: Tim said. He played for That’s Incredible, which was a wonderful 80’s show that John and I watched every Monday night.
With Kathy Lee Crosby and I don’t remember the third guy. John Davidson. John Davidson. Oh, wow. See, that’s the kind of trivia we need to be asking, but anyway. Well, I was going to ask that, but I figured you guys would know that, so. Just the fact that John knows John Davidson, that is impressive. John should get honor, John should get, you know, kudos for that one.
He gets an extra gold star. That guy’s hair never changed.
Brian Caynan: Oh, yeah. All right. You say New York Giants for two years. Yes. Okay. All right. Number three. What is the name of the Minnesota Vikings mascot? Skoal.
Tim Cashman: I’m gonna go with what John said. I don’t know. By the
John Cashman: way, if my wife wasn’t leaving for Chicago on Monday, I would have, like, really wanted to go to that game on Sunday because That skull chant at the beginning of those games looks freaking awesome.
You know when they go like, Skull! Skull! So anyway, Skull, Skull the mascot.
Tim Cashman: All right.
Brian Caynan: All right. You both say Skull. Okay, and then number four. Which Minnesota Vikings player’s number was retired in 2001?
Tim Cashman: In 2001, um, is there any significance to it being 2001? Yes.
Brian Caynan: I’ll just, I’m gonna leave it at that.
Tim Cashman: Okay, uh, well 2001… Unless you guys want to, maybe I’ll
Brian Caynan: ask, maybe I’ll answer if you guys…
Tim Cashman: Uh, well how about, how about just one quick hint, like is there a position or, I just…
This? Is it related to 9 11? I’ll ask that. No, but no. Okay.
Brian Caynan: But it was, , it’s not related to 9 11, but it was, it was, um, I I can try to say this. It was an event that happened right before 9 11. Right before 9 11. In the summer of 2001. I
Tim Cashman: do not
John Cashman: know. Only thing I’m gonna say, and this is just a reach, is Bud Grant. I mean, I don’t know if he’s gonna have his number retired or a whistle or whatever, but I can’t think of
Tim Cashman: anybody. I, I, yeah, I’m drawing a blank on that one. Okay.
Brian Caynan: Alright. We’ll do the answers in a bit.
John Cashman: Alright, well let’s, let’s wash our hands of the game that happened in Cleveland.
Tim Cashman: Well, I, I do think we need to, there’s a couple things I do want to, uh, before , we move on to the bikes. There’s a couple things I do want to go back to. And then, and then we’ll bury it and we’ll, we’ll move on. But, , I, I do think we have to talk about a couple of key moments in the game.
One of which were, , some, uh, two penalties on the Browns final drive. , the first of which happened on a third and ten. Um, Walker, uh, you know, shoots it over, , 3rd and 10. , the Niners get flagged, uh, it was, uh, Gibson, , he was trying to, uh, Walker was trying to hit more. , Gibson is flagged for unnecessary roughness.
, so I went back to take a look at that, at that particular play. And, I mean, at first glance, I, I thought, ooh, that could be, that could be a hit. Now, when… That could be a helmet to helmet., when I went back and looked, we all saw the replay. And, yeah, we saw it was a shoulder to shoulder, it was a legal hit.
But when I saw who called the penalty, it was the line judge. And from his angle, I can see why he threw the flag in real time. Because it does look like his head snaps back. , I, so, I, I think it, it was a, it was a call I think they could have discussed a little more, see if anybody had a better look at it.
, but it was such a critical moment in the game because , if that flag isn’t thrown, the Browns are looking at fourth and ten. But, your thoughts on it. So,
John Cashman: here’s the problem with, with that call. , and this, this is me putting my, my ref hat on. Yeah. , it’s all about, I just, I don’t do football, but I do basketball, but it’s still kind of the same thing.
It’s, it’s all about positioning. So that line judge is, is over on the left hand side. Yeah. And he is behind the wide receiver and he sees the
receiver. He doesn’t see the lack of head neck contact, but he sees the head snap back. The other Judge or referee is over down the line on the right and he’s kind of almost in the same spot but probably had a better view of the play. The problem is that in the NFL the umpire referee is no longer in the middle of the field.
And he would’ve had the best look at it in terms of picking up the flag in terms of the, the hit just happening without, in, in the shoulder. The only person I can also think that would have an angle on that is the actual referee, but he’s gonna be looking at the line for holding mm-hmm.
And so that call’s just not gonna , be seen. And, and this is where I think the N F L really needs to. Take a little bit more ownership of the officiating and be like, like, look, everything’s going to go up to an eye in the sky because there are way more angles than the referee down on the field.
They could slow it down and they can just radio down to the guys with, , you know, a thing in their ear saying, which they all have anyway cause they all talk to one another with those microphones. It’s like, No, that’s, that’s not, you didn’t have the angle on it that wasn’t a, you know, unpersonal, you know, foul or a personal foul.
So…
Brian Caynan: So, Tim, remind me, what time was that in the game? I know it was the fourth quarter. It
Tim Cashman: was the fourth quarter, yeah. In the Browns, , it was on their, it was on the drive. It was the Browns last drive of the game. They were down by one point. , there was about two forty to go in the game and it was third and ten, , on the Cleveland twenty six.
Brian Caynan: I couldn’t remember if it was before two minutes or within the game. It
Tim Cashman: was before the two minute one. It was before the two minute one. , go ahead, Brian.
Brian Caynan: I’ve kind of, I’ve just kind of, you know, I know that, you know, there’s scrutiny on this play, but, , would you, would you guys think that Under two minutes, you know, within two minutes to go, like after the two minute warning, would, would this play be deemed reviewable?
Or is it because from your perspective, if it’s beyond, you know, and if we haven’t hit the two minute warning yet, should it not be, you know, one of those like Situations where like under two minutes
Tim Cashman: is reviewable. It’s it’s an intriguing thought I think and I and I get what John’s saying because of you know, the angles that you can have with You know TV you know, you can always get you know, a much better look a second look at it and You know somebody upstairs can in New York could say no that really wasn’t That really wasn’t a personal foul.
It was a clean hit. , I think why the NFL is probably very reluctant to do that is because a few years ago, they tried instant replay of pass interference after the referees botched the NFC Championship game at the Lions and the Saints. And that did not work out well at all. , so I think that’s probably why the Niners, or excuse me, the NFL is hesitant to try to put something in there.
And I also need to say that You know, that call did not lose the 49ers the game. There were, , many, many other things that contributed to the loss. It just was a key moment in the game where we look back , and we, and we say, well, what if? Uh, based on, um, the replay of it.
John Cashman: Yeah, I think, I mean, there’s two things and then we’ll, we’ll go to the next, uh, thing.
With, with the pass interference review, it was the coach that could challenge it. And, yeah, to me, the
Tim Cashman: coach… That’s a good point. Just
John Cashman: take him out of it. , because they’re going to be biased to begin with. , really put it in the hands of an experienced referee, , who knows the rules and can, you know, kind of bring it up. , the other thing I would say, and this is, this is again, this is my point from a referee is, , I know when I’ve had a bad game and I go back and watch the tape and it’s like painful, like, man, that was, I just had a bad game. I guarantee you that crew went back and was just like, we just had a, we had a bad game.
Now they’re going to get letters and things like that. Sure. Yeah. , But that’s where I think the NFL, because these games are getting so close, and everything kind of matters, they really need to take ownership of it and have something. Where they can just, just review it and be like, no, no, it isn’t what
Tim Cashman: it is, so.
Well, I think, you know, we can look at that call, the other call or the game that I took an issue with. Well, I, let’s be honest, any issue, any call that goes against the 49ers I have an issue with. , but that’s just, that’s just me, me being me. , I think it was the second, second quarter, um, Walker goes back to throw, he’s hit.
And for a moment, I thought, oh, it’s a fumble. It’s a fumble. , my problem wasn’t so much that the call eventually went to, uh, you know, uh, the, the, the, they were, I think they, I don’t remember if they reviewed it exactly. , but it was that the referee blew his whistle immediately and sealed an incomplete pass.
And in that thing, I was like, I think you need to let that play finish, , then go back and take a look at it. I think it was close, , they, you know, Walker, Walker’s trying to kind of underhand the ball forward, , but that could have been a huge momentum swing to the 49ers at the end of the first half.
So, you know, again, you know, it wasn’t so much that it was intentional grounding, which is what they ultimately ruled. It was the fact that the referee blew his whistle so fast. And we’ve seen in many occasions where they will let plays just continue because they’re well, maybe we didn’t get that right So they have a review they look at it and they make they and you know, they make the call So yeah, but yeah, John, I mean, I think you’re absolutely right It’s where you know The NFL has to I think take you know a better look at and maybe it’s something the competition committee can look at and we can Pilot something next year, but you know the Niners did have 12 penalties Certainly, you know those kinds of penalties are killers, you know, as we said I think last week You can’t put the game in the hands of the referees Niners had plenty of opportunities not to let that not happen But I didn’t want to bring up those two calls because I thought they were critical parts of the game Yeah, again,
John Cashman: this is where if you have an NFL development league you can try these ideas out
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s where, again, I think they, they should, they should do something like that. So anyway, Tim, you said you had one more key thing to discuss.
Tim Cashman: Well, you know, Jake Moody, you know, missed the field goal at, at the end of the game. And I, I, I don’t know how you guys felt, but when he lined up, my heart was pounding.
I didn’t feel good about the kick. I didn’t feel good about the spot. It just, it’s that creeping feeling where, I don’t know what’s going to happen, man. That was coming over me. , so, one of the things, it was a head scratcher for me from Kyle Shanahan. , when the Niners got down in the Cleveland Territory, they, they got down, uh, Jordan Mason, , picked up about three yards.
It’s 40 seconds left. And I thought they were going to run one more play. , but the Niners let the ball, and they also had a, I think they had, they had, they saw it at either one timeout or maybe even two. , but Kyle let the ball, let the, let the clock run down, and I thought, you know, hey Mason, you know, hey, he, he’d had five carries so far.
I know you’re running into the teeth of the Cleveland defense, but I would have tried to pick up a few more yards. And I know it’s, you know, he’s down to the 23. You know, you get three more yards, you get, you know, that’s a little, that’s a little more of an advantage to Jake. So I was a little puzzled that Kyle decided to just run the clock all the way down.
I guess he didn’t want to take a chance. I would have run Jordan one more time with the timeout, , that you had. You could have, you know, run one more and then that’ll be that. But, um, that was a head scratch to me. I don’t know if you guys, uh, you know, picked up on that, either.
John Cashman: I didn’t pick up on that part, but when Jake lined up, I was like, okay, come on, just just put it through, like, we’ll escape with a win.
And then when he didn’t there was a ginormous F bomb that escaped my mouth, and I’m like, fuck it, I’m out of here. I’m gonna go play golf. So…
Tim Cashman: Yeah, and… Yeah, and, and so for Jake, , right now he’s under the gun. , there’s no question about that. He was drafted to make kicks like this.
, he’s replacing Robbie Gould, but, you know, I went back and looked at, you know, last year, Robbie, hey, he had a chance to win against the, the, the Raiders at the end of regulation. Um, he misses, albeit the game was tied. He does, he does, he does come back and kick the game winner. You go back to 2021. And, , the Niners had a chance to win against, uh, the Bengals at the end of regulation.
He missed that one. Now, Niners, of course, came back and won in overtime against the Bengals. So, uh, I loved Robbie as much as anybody, , but he did have his share of misses, uh, in times where he could have really put the 49ers, , I, I would just say he could, he could ice the game and, and he had his share of misses too.
So, you know, I hope Jake is able to just move past this, , cause he’s, we’re going to depend on him again. There’s no doubt about that for a game winning field goal. So I hope he’s able to just take this and brush it off.
Brian Caynan: So, so Tim, I have, I have some, some things to say about that.
Tim Cashman: So, um, sure. Okay.
Brian Caynan: No, please.
Yes, I was disappointed just like everyone else that obviously Jay Moody missed that. I mean, I think the way that the camera angle was set behind you were watching it. It looked like it was already at an angle. I have the
Tim Cashman: perception. So, so, so, the camera angle, you’re like, oh, he’s, he’s not getting that one.
Brian Caynan: Yeah, that I said, you know, I, I think Wichnowski held the laces wrong on the, um, you know, when he was
Tim Cashman: filming. Um. Lace is out!
Brian Caynan: , just about like that whole, like, you’re right. Gould’s missed a ton of field goals. He’s missed field goals
Tim Cashman: too. He had his moments where he missed, yeah.
Brian Caynan: Yeah, yeah. But, just in terms of watching that last drive, because I know there was a lot of criticism.
And there’s always going to be any sort of loss to Shanann or whoever the offensive play caller is. I, I, he kept, he had one time out, right? And I think he kept it just in case it was going to be like a bad,
Tim Cashman: a bad, um, yeah, just, I would
Brian Caynan: agree. , and so if you ran Mason in that situation, let here’s, what’s to say that Mason isn’t tackled and he gets like a good run.
And I think it was like seven seconds left or something right on the clock. So let’s say he gets a ton yards and he, and he’s, he doesn’t, He doesn’t do what he’s doing and then , he just happens to run and he runs out the clock. I mean, you know, does that come into your mind about like, why Shanahan would have done what he did?
Tim Cashman: , I don’t think it was running out the clock. I think it was more that the Cleveland defense had been so effective. He didn’t want to take… Uh, he didn’t want to take a chance with Mason getting hit in the backfield or, , you know, something, you know, it was, it was a wet day, maybe Purdy mishandles the ball, he’s just like, look, I got it in the 23, I’m just going to run out the clock.
I would have gone for just one more play, I just would have eked out maybe a couple more yards, um, maybe he’s positioned the ball, maybe where Mason or Moody likes to hit it, , I just, it, that was, it was, it was, it was just more, It was more puzzling. I mean, it’s certainly a makeable kick. It’s just, as I said, it was a head scratcher, , with, with 40 seconds left.
I would have, uh, I would have tried to look just a little bit more, but I’m not an NFL head coach.
Brian Caynan: If I remember, like, where were you guys, , I didn’t watch this replay, but was it, was it lined up on the left side of the hash marks? Um. Pretty, pretty much
Tim Cashman: in the middle. Yeah. Or was it in the middle? Okay.
John Cashman: Yeah. Yeah, I, I also sometimes look at this podcast as part therapy session.
Brian Caynan: No, you’re right.
John Cashman: We’re going to get all of our feelings out. , the one other thing that I do have to give kudos to, although it’s not going to earn him a star of the game is Brock. Pretty did not have a good game. , and I’m sure a resident historian can point out sometimes where, when Montana or young didn’t have a good game, but he still tried to find a way to win.
Sure. It came really close to doing it. I think, Tim, do you have any, like, Montana, like, he had a horrible game and all of a sudden he just
Tim Cashman: was like… Oh, absolutely. I mean, the best example was 88, , the Niners played the LA Raiders, or the LA Raiders at the time, where Raiders were in LA. And John, you and I were at that game, Niners lose 9 3, the offense was horrible, , Montana had a lousy game.
The next week. He plays the Washington Redskins on Monday night, and for the next probably year and a half, he was Joe Mon. He, he was Hall of Fame, Joe Montana. Mm-hmm. , , you know, the Iers won the Super Bowl in 88. The next year was 89, where they just, you know, I think one had one of the best teams in the N F L history.
, you know, there’s that, there’s also, you know, you can go back to 94. Um, the, , Niners are playing the Eagles, Eagles pound, the 49 ERs, 40 to 80. Mm-hmm. . And this was the team that had Dion, this is the team that had Ricky Waters. Um, and after that game, the Niners just went on a tear. , yeah, so, you know, it was, it was a wake up call for, um, uh, for the Niners and, you know, young in Montana had their most, this is Purdy’s moment.
It happens to every quarterback. So, , I think that, you know, looking again at the Niners, they’ve got so many weapons. , and, but it’s adversity and we’re going to see how they, how this, how this team deals with it.
John Cashman: Yep. And I think on that note, I think can we move on from,
Tim Cashman: from the Browns? Yes. I think, yes, let’s bury the Browns game and never speak to it again.
Oh, we’ll
John Cashman: speak to it again, but, , but let’s talk about the Vikings. , obviously this is a team we’ve played a bunch in the playoffs. . But let’s kind of talk about some keys for victory. We’ve heard some news. I think first key is let’s get healthy. Out of, uh, out of these three, Brian, who do you think is going to be playing?
We’ve got CMC, Debo, Trent, and Dre. Who do we need to
Brian Caynan: have back? Uh, well, Dre Greenlaw would be very helpful from a defensive standpoint. So I’d love to see him back. I just. You know, I don’t think Oren Burks and, , Flanagan Fowles, , they were present, but they weren’t, they don’t have the same gravitas as, as, uh, Dre Greenlaw and, um, Fred Warner together in the, in the, um, in the linebacker war.
Yeah. Yeah. So love to see him back. Um, you know, Trent Williams, he’d be, he’d be great too. Um, you know, he had a tough assignment this week against, uh, Miles Garrett. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know. We didn’t, we didn’t talk about that, but he, he, he had a tough one, um, out of the offensive guys, , either one of them, I mean, I, I’m liking, you know, I was giving some thought to Tim, what you were saying about Debo and if you have him there, you know, he’s, he’s a pseudo running back.
He’s a pseudo receiver. So, you know, he could probably if CMC needs to rest, you know, another week or two.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, Tim. Well, I mean, I, I expect to see Drake Kreenlaw back, uh, in the lineup, , next Monday night. , Trent, I think, is, I give it one chance out of three. He’s got an ankle sprain. , and as Brian said, you know, he had a tough assignment this week.
, he had given up five, he gave up five pressures in, uh, in Cleveland. Uh, and I know we said we, we put that bed, uh, that one to bed. But, he, , he hadn’t given up five pressures all season until that last game. So, that just. Yeah, another thing to think about. , I don’t know. I think Deebo, I think it’s one chance in three that Deebo and Trent play.
CMC, I won’t, I would not expect to see him against the Vikings. I think that, you know, yes, he escaped a serious injury. I don’t know if Kyle wants to, uh, push it against, uh, the Vikings. Uh, the only thing I think the 49ers have going for them is that they do get an extra day of rest. , which could be, you know, very helpful.
You know, they can at least, you know, maybe do some walkthroughs in practice. Um, normally, uh, if you’re not on the Thursday practice, if it’s a Sunday game, , that means you’re probably not going to see much in the lineup or you’re not going to get much of the game plan. We’ll see who practices this Friday.
I think that’ll be the telltale sign, but, , I, I wouldn’t expect to see, I’m gonna say, I don’t expect to see Trent. I think maybe Debo. I think for sure Dre. CMC, I think, is doubtful.
John Cashman: Yeah, , I actually wouldn’t mind seeing CMC take a day off. I don’t, having watched some of these last, there’s no doubt he’s a warrior.
There’s no doubt he’s a physical back. . But I kind of start to wonder about the tread on the tires. He just keeps like, and I do think, I’m beginning to come around to the thing of like, He might be getting targeted because the face masks just keep coming and coming and coming. And after a while, it’s like, guys, there’s a little bit of a trend here.
, so in that way, I honestly just want them to get past the Vikings and maybe play them all in the Bengals. Awesome, man. Get to that bi week and just get healthy. We’ve been very fortunate this year, knock on wood, with not having anybody knocked out for a long time. But I do really wonder about, , CMC and just the, the, the abuse he’s been kind of taking.
So, , I wouldn’t mind to see him sit out. Um, from what I’ve read, it’s the same kind of injury Purdy had. So it’s a pain tolerance thing, but you know, Purdy’s a quarterback. And CMC, you know, he’s going to take hits and you know, people are going to take shots at him. Yeah. So, um, which brings us to the second key of the game, which is the offense.
We have, we’ll just keep talking about the Browns game because they were just so out of rhythm that you just, you just have to get back to square one. Like how do you get, so Brian, how would you say these guys get back in rhythm?
Brian Caynan: I would say run the ball and then that’ll open up your passing lane. So, I mean, obviously with CMC not there, um, you’re going to rely heavily on Jordan Mason to get you some of those yards.
Elijah Mitchell was pretty ineffective, , this last game, so you’d love to see him, , get some touches for some positive yardage. So, you know, get Jordan Mason, get. Elijah Mitchell, you know, if Jordan Mason can get 50 yards, I think that’s a, that’s a positive. If Elijah Mitchell can get like close to 50, you know, above 30, I think that’s would be very helpful to like Kittle and, and Iuke and, , and Debo if he plays in Jennings, so.
Tim, what about you? Your
Tim Cashman: thoughts on that? Yeah, I think, , I think the 49ers have a terrific opportunity this, uh, this Monday night against, uh, Cleveland. , their defense is ranked, uh, at lower tiers, uh, both rushing and passing. So, uh, even with CMC out, you know, we’ve seen what Elijah can do. , he was, uh, he was a key, uh, key, uh, point of, , Shanahan’s offense, uh, in 2021 and even the first part of 2022 before CMC showed up.
So, we’ve seen what he can do with the ball, but I, I would really like to see, , Jordan Mason, uh, have a breakout game. And, , if Debo is back, I wouldn’t, uh, be surprised to see Shanahan run those screens, uh, that John was looking for in the Browns game. , and with a defense that I think is, um, you know, the defensive rushing, uh, is, uh, Vikings defensive rushing is ranked 28th.
, so that can set some things up, particularly in the passing game. And, , you know, a team coming off a tough, gut wrenching loss where, you know, you had opportunities to win. If the Niners come in, frankly, just pissed off, , they can make life miserable for, for, , For the Vikings. And so, I expect the 49ers to bounce back in a minute.
I really do.
John Cashman: Um, I would like to see Kittle getting a little more involved. I thought Yeah. Last year Purdy had Kittle almost as a security blanket. It doesn’t seem like there’s a lot this year. So I’d like to see the security blanket used a little bit more. , but yeah I think just getting them back into rhythm and those little screens those little touch passes, , will be good.
Plus it’s indoors. It’s not going to be the weather, so I think we’re going to be, we’re going to be good. Um, and then we can move to the, the defense and we’ve, we’ve played the Vikings a lot before and Tim, I mean, when we pressure Kirk Cousins, it’s really tough on him, but if we don’t, he can carve you up.
Tim Cashman: No, I mean, Cousins reminds me a lot of Stafford from L. A. You know, he doesn’t want to get hit. He’s not going to gash it for a lot of yards. So, , you know, this is a game where, you know, Bosa and Gregory, you know, they can collapse the pocket. And you’ve got, you know, Hargrave and Armstead bringing that up.
I really hope to see the front four. Really take off in this game Because you know as good as they mean, they’re a good team. Don’t get me wrong I I think we were expecting as fans a lot more a lot more sacks a lot more disruption We’ve seen that from time to time but Kirk Cousins right now. He’s leading the NFL in pass attempts.
So that tells you exactly What the Vikings are gonna do offensively so they really don’t have a running game that is much of a threat so You know, the Niners get them in those 2nd and 10s, 3rd and 8s, 3rd and longs. Just pin your ears back.
John Cashman: And, , no Justin Jefferson. So, it’s tough on the Vikings. Brian!
Oh,
Brian Caynan: he’s not playing this week?
John Cashman: Oh, that’s great. No, he’s on injury reserve. , so, One thing the Niners have been very, very good at doing this year is keeping the turnovers positive. Who, uh, Who do you think is going to, , Grab a turnover this week. You think the Niners are going to keep the turnovers positive?
Brian Caynan: Well, we need some, we need some fumbles. I mean, they got two, two picks, right? On, Sunday. So I’d love to keep that up and also, you know, get some punch outs on the football. So I know, you know, Fred Warner is a guy who’s, who we all think of can do that, but we’d love to see, like, just someone else get a, you know, just get a fumble in recovery.
If it’s, if it’s Fred Warner. Props to that, but I’d love to see some, uh, punch outs.
John Cashman: So for, , for my, uh, potential star of the game, which we did last week, I’m going to go back to Nick Bosa. , so far I’ve run two and a half miles. I’m a little… A load two and a half miles. Yeah, I’m a little disappointed. So, I’m going with Nick Bosa.
Four sacks. You know, push that up to six and a half miles. Sam, who’s going to be your star?
Tim Cashman: , I’m going to go back. I’m going to, I’m going to go back to Brock Purdy. I think he bounces back this game. Um, I think he gets his timing, uh, back. I, I, I’d say he’s got, he’s, we, we’ve seen what Purdy can do. Uh, he had his first, , poor showing, uh, in his career.
So I think he comes back and he bounces back with, uh, two touchdown passes. Brian?
Brian Caynan: I’m gonna say the offensive line is gonna show up and, and not back down and, and give Purdy the time to make his reads, get some good throws to Kittle, um, Jennings, and Iyuk. And um, you know, they’re gonna be the supporting cast that’s gonna have Brock Purdy, , come back from this, uh, from this, uh, week six debacle.
So. Nice. That’s.
John Cashman: Yep. Alright, well Brian, why don’t you give us your trivia results and we’ll, we’ll wrap it up with our final thoughts.
Brian Caynan: Alright, so 1959, the ownership group of the Minnesota Vikings were awarded an AFL franchise. The Minnesota franchise only gained acceptance to the NFL after which city backed out?
So Tim, you
Tim Cashman: said… Kansas City.
Brian Caynan: Okay. John, what’d you say? I said
John Cashman: St. Paul.
Brian Caynan: So, in 1959, George Hallis of the Chicago Bears proposed expansion to Dallas and in Houston to contend, to counteract the AFL. Houston couldn’t secure the stadium rights, so Minnesota backed out of the AFL and jumped to the NFL. So, it was Houston. Yep. All right. Okay. , number, number two, Minnesota, great.
Fran Tarkenton played quarterback from 61 to 78. , what team was he traded to and how many years did he play for that
Tim Cashman: team? I said the Giants in two years. And I agree,
Brian Caynan: John. Okay. So it was, it was in New York Giants. You’re right. Uh, but it was from 67 to 71. So five years, 67
Tim Cashman: to 69. And then you got traded back.
Yeah. And then you got to trade it back to Minnesota.
Brian Caynan: Okay, so number three, what’s the name of the video, I’m sorry, the Minnesota Vikings mascot?
Tim Cashman: Skoal! Skoal! Yes,
Brian Caynan: that is their saying, and they do say that I think for every touchdown and, , to start the game. But it’s, uh, there’s two. There’s actually, the main one is Victor the Viking.
And so they have some story on their website how he’s related to Thor and, and
Tim Cashman: Odin and stuff. I almost said Vinny the Viking, but I was, I was like, oh, they’re both.
Brian Caynan: And then from 94 to 2005, they had actually a guy, um, a fan dress up as, , Ragnar the Viking. So, who’s an homage to a Danish and Swedish king from the 900s.
, but I’m assuming he’s got all the horns and the beard and he’s got that motive.
Tim Cashman: Can I make a request? You’re asking questions that are extreme, and I know I’ve gotten some of the really offhanded ones correct, but I mean, you’re really reaching into the bag. Hey, well, I thought that, you know, I, you’re right, I would have not, you know,
Brian Caynan: I’ll probably, you know what, I’ll ask a, , that’s incredible
Tim Cashman: type question.
Oh, great, great, can’t wait, can’t wait. I think, do they brag about like We’re playing Cincinnati, right? Okay, we’re playing Cincinnati. Yeah, next week. Yeah, okay
Brian Caynan: Number four. Okay. So this one I thought you guys would get so who was a player whose number was retired in 2001
Tim Cashman: I’ll just throw Randy Moss. I don’t know.
No, it wasn’t Randy Moss. I Anthony Carter Oh Chris
John Cashman: Carter
Brian Caynan: No, no, this one actually is more of a sad story. This one actually had to do with 77 their offensive tackle Corey
Tim Cashman: Stringer. Oh Corey. Yes. I do. He collapsed from I think heat exhaustion and training camp Yeah Yeah Ohio State guy. Yeah. Yeah,
Brian Caynan: and So it happened like in in August of 2001.
Tim Cashman: All right. Yeah, I do remember that.
Brian Caynan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so sad story and then He did pass away from heat exhaustion And then Yeah, I think now there’s rules in place, you know, , for stuff like this. So, you know, players dressing in white, like lighter colors and making sure there’s shade and a lot of adequate water.
So, yep, that was it. So, , Cory Stringer. Cool. He was the person.
John Cashman: Well, rest in peace, Cory. , final thoughts, Brian?
Brian Caynan: , I think I’m going to see us bounce back this week, uh, next Monday night. So, , I’m going to, I’m going to think positive thoughts and agree with what you guys just said. I think our offense bounces back.
Brock Purdy is going to have a good game, , and we’re going to win the turnover battle. So.
Tim Cashman: Tim, I like that. John refers to this podcast as a therapy session. I will be an advocate for holistic new age music being played over, , the voice track when John does the editing. So thanks John and the fans for doing that.
You’re welcome.
John Cashman: Um, Do you have any final thoughts about the game?
Tim Cashman: Oh, yeah, that. , yeah, I agree with Brian. I think the Niners bounce back from this. , I think Minnesota, uh, I mean, they’re 2 4. They eked out a win against, uh, the Bears, uh, in, uh, in the rain. So, , I think the Niners are gonna come in this one, uh, pretty well motivated.
Uh, and I think they match up very well against the Vikings.
John Cashman: Yeah, I’m going to go with Hope Springs Eternal. , we’ll sweep the Browns game under the rug. , you know, and I, I logically, I’m like, I like where we’re at. We’re five and one, just still tied for the number one seed. , but it’s just the ones that get away that are the most frustrating.
And then I just have to remember that last year we were three and three. And the year before it was even kind of worse. We still got to the NFC championship game. So long season not even a halfway there yet Just gotta take them one game at a time. I think the Niners bounce back I think they have a good game and I think We just keep on going.
So So for all of those who’ve been listening, thank you so much Looking forward to seeing the Niners bounce back. We just say keep the faith, stay faithful to the bay. And peace out, Niners Nation. Talk to you next week.
