John Cashman: What is up Niners Nation? It is Victory Tuesday. God damn it feels good to say those words. Tim, how are you feeling?
Tim Cashman: Well, I didn’t hear you sigh. So I guess that, that, that’s an indication that the 49ers won.
John Cashman: Did, did you watch the game?
Tim Cashman: Yes, I did watch the game. I just, we, we’ve been, it’s been a month since we got to do a victory Tuesday. I’ve been getting used to, and not in a good way of you starting the session going, uh. Maybe I’m emphasizing that maybe I’m not, but it does good to hear John. Happy John, you were the on the spot reporter. You know, that we, uh, due to our minuscule budget or just points of contact or, you know, getting things, uh, put together. You were at the game in Jacksonville.
John Cashman: I was, it was, , it was awesome. Um, well shout out to Michael Loiacono
Tim Cashman: Big shout out to Michael.
John Cashman: He was kind enough to, uh, gimme a ticket and, and let me stay at his house. , and then also big shout out to the cat box. Uh, really cool tailgating house about a half mile from the stadium. Made me feel totally welcome.
Really awesome time. , we finished. Third in cornhole, which was always good. And I ate a lot of pasta and had a few bloody Mary’s, but awesome. Just all cool people. Just, it’s all about football and family. , they were a little bummed after the game, uh, but all in all, uh, it was a really, really good time.
So, Brian, how are you feeling?
Brian Caynan: Well, I have, I have one question, John, before I go. How did, did you, uh, did you rub it in in any way? Were you
John Cashman: No.
Brian Caynan: a gracious, a gracious guest? , I’m just wondering like, how, how loud were you cheering, during all of our touchdowns.
John Cashman: Uh, I was cheer, I was cheering pretty loudly. Um, there was a woman who was right behind us who was probably the most annoying Niners fan ever created.
Tim Cashman: I thought that was me.
John Cashman: no, no. I mean, imagine if your voice could cut glass, then you’d, then you’d be the most annoying.
Tim Cashman: Well, well, I haven’t, I haven’t had that. I haven’t had that comment, but Sure.
John Cashman: She said she flew in from Africa. Now, I don’t know how many Nairobi did Jacksonville direct flights.
There are, but it was a little, it was just really odd. , but we were in the end zone. , we saw, I saw Deebo run in, um, when BOA recovered the fumble, he and the entire defense came right to our little section.
Brian Caynan: awesome.
John Cashman: , you know, we, we were right near the Niners Tunnel. We saw Chase Young and George Kittle come off the field.
so I was loud, I was cheering, but I wasn’t obnoxious.
Uh, the Niners Nation did show out, and what Jacksonville did, which was really smart, was really on the left side of the stadium, was all Niners fans. , you know, you could see all the red sprinkled in. Then on the right side it was almo. It was all Jacksonville.
So they did a really good job of just kind of keeping things separate. So it felt it had a college feel kind of game. Uh, but the, the stadium’s awesome. It’s the old Gator Bowl. There’s really all sorts of good sight lines, , and the, the TV , scoreboard is awesome because it’s ginormous and you can see it.
From just about anywhere, so I, I really, really enjoyed, uh, my time there. It’s a great place to see a game. , that being said, for anyone who’s tuning in for the first time, or those of you who tune in weekly, uh, I’m John, joined by my brother Tim, and, uh, my brother from another mother Brian. We’re three obsessed Niners fans who get together weekly to talk football.
This week we’re reviewing the Jags game and we’re previewing the books and we’re welcoming our guest, Sean Ellison, to the podcast. So, , . So guys, let’s, let’s talk about the game. I’ve only watched, I watched it obviously live in person. I’ve only watched the first half recording. But Brian, thoughts on the game and after you ran 21 miles
Tim Cashman: 21.3
Brian Caynan: Tim, Tim, Tim did something very similar. So like, let’s not cut him. , cut him outta that. So, uh, first observations, I thought, you know, that bi-week did them some good. , so they’re, they needed it and you could totally see it. They were fresh. , a lot of the players, the defense came out like swarming, , the offense looked like they were humming.
. They all looked good and it, it didn’t hurt that obviously Deebo Samuel was back and, , Trent Williams was back. So, I mean, you know, everything seemed to click on this game. , and they looked like the Niners of the Dallas game, the Pittsburgh Steelers game looks like they did. Uh, they, they like the four nine ERs of old for week one and week five of this season. So.
Yeah,
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I did. The Jacksonville was riding high. They had a five game winning streak. , the 49 ERs were . Well, we had, they had a lot of question marks. , would Steve Wilkes, uh, standing on the sideline be an improvement? Uh, would the four Niners be able to get in back into their offensive uh, rhythm? Would they be able to, uh, cut down on some of the missed tackles that have been plaguing them?
Uh, and the answer to all, pretty much all those questions, , was yes. And . The four nine ERs, I think they set the tone very early. Jacksonville goes three and out on their first, , possession, uh, the four nine ERs, uh, on defense mixing up a lot of different fronts. , they started the very first play of the game.
The 4 8, 9 ERs had a five man front, which Lawrence, , audible out of. He ended up rolling to his right. It was an incomplete pass, but, uh, the 49 ERs. Getting that first three and out I thought was, was big for a team that needed to get off to a fast start. Uh, of course the four nine ERs first possession, , they go right down the field.
I think it was four plays, uh, for them to score. , and what I liked about, uh, the four nine ERs game plan was there were a lot of motion. Uh, having Deebo back, I think, uh, made a difference because . Uh, the, the Jags remember what Deebo did to them? , not only, I think, uh, um, excuse me, I I what the jags, what they did to ’em a couple years ago in 2021.
Uh, that Deebo was just a force, uh, Deebo goes in motion that cleared a lot of, , that, that created some favorable mashups, uh, for the 49 ERs. And, and I like that play action pass because. John as, as you and I said, you know, the Niners and the three losses we were calling the plays before they happened.
It was gonna be CMCN first down CMC on second down. Now it’s third and eight. Um, the only thing I, I think I got a little nervous on that first drive was, uh, was the touchdown passed to iu. I, I’m glad they scored, but, um, I mean, pretty rolling to his left and then throwing back to the right and to a bunch of players.
I, I, I get gray hairs when those plays kind of happen because I was thinking interception.
John Cashman: Yeah.
Tim Cashman: the Niners, they, they, they got off to a great start, hell of a second half. And, , they got a much needed victory, , over a, a very good Jacksonville team. I mean, a very young Jacksonville team, but 34 to three on the road.
You’re now six and three, you’re still two games back of, uh, of Philadelphia. But. They’re now also tied with the Seahawks, which means every game moving forward. I know we’ll, we’ll talk about the Seahawks next week, but, , e every, every game now is about playoff positioning.
John Cashman: Yeah, I thought just what I was seeing, , live, the Niners came in, pissed off and wanting to stop the narrative of, you know, the slide, Steve Wilkes Brock, pretty, all the narratives that were going on and people, you know, like Grant Cone just talking nonsense. Then I thought Jacksonville came in and looked a tick off, like, oh, we had to play football.
Like, like I , not only I forgot to play football, but they, they looked like they, they hadn’t played in a little bit, you know. , it’s still a, a good team. They put up a decent amount of yardage and time of possession, on the Niners, but they never got To the point where they scored, and of course when you give up the ball four times it, it just makes it almost impossible. I will say, I think one of Steve Wilkes’s, or it was Chris, Chris, whoever called it the first time, chase Young and Nick Bosa played together. He lined them up directly over the center, staring at Trent, Trevor Lawrence, and the two techniques say, Hey, Trevor. This is Nick Bosa, and this is Chase Young. I’ve never seen in that formation.
He only did it once, and then he had them in their usual spots on the edge, but I was just like,
Brian Caynan: you know,
John Cashman: okay.
Brian Caynan: John, I, I noticed that too in watching the replay the game, and that looks that that was probably one of the most intimidating things I’d probably wanna say, like . A quarterback would wanna see. And I, I was thinking the exact same thing. I was gonna say that because that looks pretty, , damn intimidating that other side.
Tim Cashman: you know what I’m, I’m going to go as intimidating as that is, I, I’m gonna go one notch above intimidation, and that is Trent Williams pulling out on the offensive line. and you saw the Jaguar as cornerback, I think it was Williams, number three. One. I think he literally just turned around or just was like, I’m not getting in front
of that.
John Cashman: Uh, he made a business decision like, nope.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. , I mean, and you know, God love him, but I, and I would do the exact, if I saw a man like Trent Williams running towards me, I’d be going to the sidelines,
John Cashman: Yeah.
Tim Cashman: I, I’d be telling the ref, blow the whistle. Blow the whistle.
John Cashman: So, , obviously this, the podcast a little bit more upbeat, uh, this week. So
Tim Cashman: A Tadd.
John Cashman: let’s, let’s look at our, , keys to victory. , the first one was get to Lawrence. I think this is, this is one where they scratch this one off the list. Five sacks. , Brian, what were your first impressions of Chase Young?
Brian Caynan: he, he was awesome. I think the Niners just, I mean, just from a defensive side, I noticed that the Niners got sacks on the first, uh, two, two drives of, Jacksonville. So, I mean, he brings another dimension, and I wanna say he played what, 30 something snaps.
Just like bosa, almost like Bosa. So he, he is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, I think they both are. And I think that just opens up the game for Bosa and for Armstead and for everyone else. So he’s definitely, everything and has advertised much more.
John Cashman: Tim, your first thoughts on Chase?
Tim Cashman: Well, I, I’m gonna obviously chase young. He commands attention, uh, and as you said, John, putting them right over the center, but then putting them on, , the ends, , of the defensive line. That’s a tough test for any offensive line, uh, to deal with. But I, I think what I took away when I watched the game again was how many times Lawrence went back and his first look was not there, and then I have to give it the secondary, and maybe it’s Wilkes being on the sideline.
And, you know, we had heard that the four nine ERs felt that they were out of alignment, particularly against the, , Vikings, , in that loss. Uh, so maybe, uh, Wilkes getting the alignments where they needed to be. Um, with Lawrence constantly having to go to his second look, but at that point the pressure was getting there and he was having to step up.
He was having to roll out and he was not ever truly comfortable in that pocket. And yes, there are five sacks, but we’ve used the term complimentary football and, and I think we gotta give credit to the secondary. And I know they, you know, we, we had a couple of, uh, . Penalties out there. And, and, and some of them, you know, did give up some yards.
But you know, it, it really has to be both areas, , for your pass rush to be successful. We weren’t seeing that, , with Burroughs. Uh, he was getting the ball out very quickly. Uh, Lawrence was not. And that I think, is a testament to the Niners, uh, and the bi-week, taking a look at things, making the adjustments.
, and as a result, hey, you got five sacks. You were constantly, uh, getting pressure on Trevor Lawrence.
John Cashman: Well, let’s talk about one of their biggest adjustments. Ambry Thomas
Brian Caynan: Oh
Tim Cashman: Yep.
John Cashman: Thomas with Lenore in the slot. Uh, it’s something I pointed out to Michael in the stands, , because we, we were in the end zone, so I could, I could see the defensive alignment and I saw, oh, there’s, that’s interesting. Ambs out there.
And then Lenore’s playing the Nickelback and then SIUs on the right. And I was surprised that Lawrence didn’t go after Ambre Thomas. More often. , but I, I thought this was a pretty good look and I thought Ambry Thomas had had a great game. , but you’re right, Tim, I think that that adjustment coupled with Chase Young really kind of got the defense going.
, but the other thing the defense did, the big narrative last week was they needed to stop the run. So, Tim, how’d they, how’d they stop the run against ETN? He only had, , 31 yards.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. And I think the Jaguar’s total, , had, uh, 59 yards rushing on the day. , well, again, I think I go, you go back to that first play of the game is, , the four Niners with a five man front daring Jacksonville to, to run it against them. And, , I have to think that, you know, we saw that five Man front multiple times and I think that forced, , Lawrence or rather Lawrence felt he was gonna be more successful if he checked out of those plays.
I. So I think that was giving the def that was giving Jacksonville, , a lot of different looks, uh, defensively. Um, and the four Niners, you know, that you’re also, you’re getting the team out of their elements, uh, out of their game plan early. I mean, Jacksonville went three and out on their first two drives and at that point, the four Niners had built, uh, a, a 10 nothing, uh, lead.
So, you know, at that point you just start thinking, well, maybe we ought to start, you know, doing a little things a little bit differently. , they did have some success . , I think with the screens, which I know we’ll we’ll get into a bit later, but, um, they just weren’t able to, uh, I think get into what Cincinnati and Minnesota were able to do was to be effective on first down.
, they weren’t getting those four or five yards. , and making it more second and manage where you playbook opens up just a whole lot more in those situations.
John Cashman: Yeah. No, I, I think that’s exactly right. , and then Brian, one of the other keys to victory, which is always the key, let’s just be, it’s always the key to victory is turnovers.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: Um,
Brian Caynan: yeah, they really, I don’t think they, did they even have one? , that I can, I don’t
John Cashman: Niners didn’t have one.
Brian Caynan: Yeah. But I
John Cashman: . The Jags had four.
Brian Caynan: Yeah. So obviously plus obviously plus four on our side. , I was trying to think, did they even have one? But, uh, no, they definitely controlled that stat of the game. , you know, and I know they.
Had they, the last couple of the games, minus, minus two, minus three for each of those games that they’ve lost. So thank goodness they kind of cleaned that up. , Purdy maybe should have thrown a pick on that first touchdown, but I think overall, , they really cleaned it up. No, no, um, no fumbles and no force passes other than that, that one that touched down diu, but uh, no, they able to clean that one up.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Can I, can I just throw something out about Brock? There’s two things I wanna say about Brock Prairie. , number one, no, I didn’t, like I, you guys said I didn’t like the past ’cause it scared, scared me to death. It, it did work out, but it’s just sort of like, you know, your teenager borrowing the car for the first time and
Almost getting into an accident, but, you know, ended up saving someone’s life. , probably not the best analogy anyway. , but two things, I swear. If that had been any other quarterback in the NFL and I’m thinking like a Patrick Mahomes, if that had been Dak Prescott, the media would’ve, it would, yeah. It, it would’ve, if that had been Dak Prescott or, you know, uh, Patrick Mahomes, we would’ve been saying that was one of the greatest throws, uh, of the season.
And, uh, but it’s Brock Purdy, so they’re not gonna say that. But has anybody noticed that Brock Purdy is leading the NFL in passer rating?
John Cashman: No. If you listen to get up, Dak Crestron’s, the best quarterback in the NFC.
Tim Cashman: I understand. So, so it’s like, all right. I mean, but John, you and I have talked, we, we don’t mind if the Niners are a little bit under the radar.
John Cashman: . And that, that pass was like, no, no, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. .
Tim Cashman: I was running, I was yelling at him to run. I mean, I just thought he had a huge land. I was like, pick up that four, pick up that five yards,
John Cashman: Yeah, I mean, I was on the, on the other side and, , he had a lot of, he had a lot of real estate in front of him. I mean, there, you, you could, you could see, and then he threw him like, that looks like it was going into a crowd. And then, uh, you know, IU comes up and get it. So, , the Niners and Jags do have, do share a number of , folks, Tim, any, anything you’d like to say to their general manager who I’m sure is listening to this podcast?
Tim Cashman: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Trent Bulky. In your face, buddy. ruined my life from 2014 to 20 into 20. What was it? How many years did he there? No. Well, well, let’s see. They forced out Harbaugh in 2014. See, I’ll say 2014. And we had, yeah, it’s a 2017.
John Cashman: He was good before that until
Tim Cashman: I just hope he was pounding the desk and he’s got Bruce Knuckles.
Apparently he’s known for doing that, where things aren’t going his way.
John Cashman: Well, the Jags still are six and three, , still, still on top. And, , they do have a tough road ahead. , they have the, uh, ra, they have the Titans next to, but then they have Ravens Bengals and they have to go to Houston and face the red hot CJ Strub. So, , but it’s a good football team, and, and Doug Peterson does a great job with ’em.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: uh, I, I, I think they’re gonna back next week and beat up on the Titans. , and here’s another weird stat that somebody of the Jags fans were saying to me. If it’s, if it’s not sunny out, Trevor Lawrence doesn’t win
Tim Cashman: Well, , thank God you, you texted the picture of a foggy morning in Jacksonville, John.
John Cashman: So, let’s go to our, one of my favorite stars of the game. who is your star of the game?
Brian Caynan: , I’m gonna go with the, uh, I’m gonna go with the defense kind of overall, so I’ll just pick one player on the defense. , on my list, um, was the pressure they were getting down below, so I’m gonna say. I’m not gonna take away from you, John. So I’ll say Chase Young because he was there. He commanded attention.
Um, he got a joint sack with Nick Bosa. Um, so yeah, that’s my start of the game. He’s new. They integrated him in the system fast. He picked it up. , my star of the game. That’s mine.
John Cashman: well my, one of my stars of the game is Nick Bosa, who picked up, , a sack and a half. So I think he’s at Four and a half. , so I, I, I’ll, I’ll look Wednesday when the official stats come up. So this Saturday I’ll do my four and a half mile Nick Boza run.
Brian Caynan: Yes.
John Cashman: , but Nick, um, you could tell because they have to account for Chase Young now that he’s not getting chipped and hell, and he was, he was everywhere. , you know, fumble, recovery tipped pass, uh, one and a half sacks. , and then he didn’t really play too much in the fourth quarter. but, and you, you could also tell that, and, and with Chase Young, that they really like playing together. You know, it, it’s like, I, I only if Joey Bosa had. Join the nighters, I think with Nick Bosa be as happy.
So, , there to have a, , a pumped up Nick Bosa, who is gonna be, know, free range Bosa, uh, coming, uh, is pretty good. So he, he got one of my stars of the game, Tim.
Tim Cashman: Uh, I’m gonna go with, uh, George Kittle. I, you know, I, I love it when they get him in, involved in the offense, uh, early. He had a, , really nice catch on the 49 ERs first, uh, scoring possession, , when Purdy hit him for I think about, uh, 29 yards. And then . Uh, I, I think Purdy had his best throw of the year, , hitting, um, kittle for, uh, touchdown, , in the third quarter that, uh, put the Niners up, um, at that point, 20 to three.
, and just a, a great way, I mean, because I mean, at that point, the game, yeah, it was, it was still a ball game. Uh, it was, you know, it was 13 three. , but to come out like that, make a throw like that, and I, I, we’ve gotta give credit, credit news to Brock Purdy, but, , you know, to see Kittle, you know, make that, make that play.
I, I just thought, okay. We’re rolling. We’re rolling. And just, I loved his comment at the end of the game where I. He said, I’ve never walked in for a touchdown before and I probably won’t do it again. ’cause Kyle’s gonna yell at me. But, , yeah, that did. George, George is my star. And John, you, you got to, uh, , you got to have an interesting, uh, vantage point of that, that play from where you were sitting.
John Cashman: Yeah, so I, I was just kinda, , I was standing and I was watching, and then I’m, I’m not kidding you, the ball just suddenly appeared like out of the line and it just floated down and right into kiddo’s hands. Then the linebacker fell down. Literally it was just like, know, just walking on in, you know, he was doing the whole wrestling, yelling, big spike, and know, the whole nine yards.
And also . He was because all the Niners fans were down there. He was just high fiving and having a good time, and Brock Purdy actually had to yell at him. George, get off the field. The field goal unit is coming on So that was, that was pretty, , entertaining. But yeah, he had an Austin game. He caught one over the middle where he got, he got pretty well laid out.
But it, it’s Kittle. , I mean, when he gets going with, with that offense, uh, it’s pretty good. And he, you know, he wasn’t really. A part of it, , before, but now, I mean, it’s just when you get ’em one-on-one against somebody on the outside, it’s, it’s really tough,
Brian Caynan: So
John Cashman: for me. Oh, sorry, Brian, you
Brian Caynan: yeah, that, speaking of that play, as you wrap that up, that pocket was closing like mad and I have no idea how Purdy could have seen George Kittle one-on-one with all those people in his face. , but I thought he was gonna get sacked, like just, I had to replay that, that that touchdown throw a few times just to understand how Purdy got it out of the pocket.
To even see that far ahead to, to chuck the ball.
Tim Cashman: Not only that, Brian, uh, you know, did he get the throw off? He pump faked and then got the
Brian Caynan: Yeah. Well
John Cashman: It, to me it was one of the, it is one of the best throws I’ve seen this year. It was, it was incredible. , for me, uh, star of the game is Brock Purdy, , for two weeks. I mean, you know, he obviously went off to the Iowa Fields to get away from it all. . But to come back with all the, you know, purdy’s, not this purdy’s, not that you know, all the interceptions, you know, the Rose shine is off the rose, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
He had an awesome game. Uh, you know, I don’t know, Tim, what was his stats?
Tim Cashman: Brock was, he was 19 of 26. Uh, 4 2 96. Three downs.
John Cashman: Yeah, I mean that’s, that’s pretty good. , so he looked in complete command and he was also pressured, I think 50% of his snaps. So
Tim Cashman: Yeah, he was sacked twice.
John Cashman: To get that kind of performance while, you know, having the defense in your lap was, was pretty good. , and then I have one more star of the game, , Ambry Thomas.
Brian Caynan: Oh yeah.
John Cashman: You know, you go out there, there’s always been, you know, he didn’t have the best second sophomore year, , but he went out there. , he had an awesome strip, uh, and should have been
Tim Cashman: Shoulda had a touchdown.
Brian Caynan: should have been
John Cashman: Shanahan ran on the field.
Tim Cashman: I just.
John Cashman: Shanahan’s just be like, Hey man, I owe you a touchdown. , but he just, I thought when I saw him come out, they were gonna pick on him. , and he held his ground and I, he just delivered a, a great game. , so I’m, it’d be interested if they keep doing this. , know who the, uh, buck slot receiver is.
but they keep talking about having Isaiah Oliver do the bigger body guys. And, you know, Lenore do the smaller guys, but to me it’s like, if ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And if, if Ambry on the outside and Lenore in the middle provides them this kind of, . coverage. Why would you change it?
Brian Caynan: Yeah. You know, Ambry Thomas, he was like, . Picked on last year and we had, I hopes for him this season and he did pretty good, I think in the preseason and kind of leading up to it. And he just kind of fell off the radar. And then, you know, I didn’t really know much about Isaiah Oliver. I know that, you know, he was there, he was making plays.
I don’t know if he was the best tackler, but um, you know, it seemed to work John. And, , yeah, let’s keep it going with that guy.
John Cashman: Well, as I like to say, it’s not all sunshine lollipops, although I was thinking about making this segment the size, like, uh, I can’t do the side like
Brian Caynan: Size of the game,
John Cashman: it the size
Tim Cashman: I just think since you say that every, every time I think, can we, you know, pipe in some music where they, we do sing sunshine lollipops in rainbows and, and with that I’ll stop singing ’cause we have listeners and we want to keep them
John Cashman: yes. . I, I don’t know how to edit that in, I’ll be honest with you. , so, , Brian, what do you think we can improve
Brian Caynan: Uh, well, um, I mean, I, you put this on here as point number three, but I was like, really want, I, as you guys know, I was texting like Matt about trying to get CMC to score. So like I really wanted him to break that record and. You know, why couldn’t juice have fallen down use check on the one yard line. And I was, that’s all I wanted to see.
I know we were blowing out the, the Jags. I just wanted to see that. And like, I don’t know if Juice has to, like he’s getting paid money. He’s getting paid a lot too. You know, he is like the highest paid fullback in the league. Right. So . Oh man. I was, , you guys know I was crushed about that. But yes, I did wanna see CMC score in the end and, but yeah, I know they were trying.
John Cashman: By the end of the game when they got down to the other, , end zone. ’cause that one was, they, they were playing away from, from us. by that point, most of the Jackson, the Jags fans had left and it was pretty much all in Ironers fans by that point. And they were, they were chanting CMC, like everybody wanted him to, to, to do it.
And of course, like. Uh, if you’re the Jacks defense one, you don’t wanna be, you want to have some, you don’t wanna be the guy who gives it up.
Tim Cashman: and they’re good defense
John Cashman: and they’re a good defense. It’s like, we know who’s gonna get the ball, like four people are going to swarm, CMC. So, uh, if they had gotten it, then that would’ve been awesome.
But it, it was at that point. It was, it was pretty hard.
Brian Caynan: Was that, what was that last play? They tried to throw the ball to him where I, it, it looked like he was gonna score that touchdown on that, that um, that flat route
Tim Cashman: to hit him, uh, yeah, around their flight. He, he wasn’t quite in the end zone, and, and I wish they would’ve at least run the route into the end zone. But, uh, oh. The Jacks corner also made a great play on
John Cashman: Yeah. There’s also like, there was like four Jags around ’em. They all, they’re all new,
Tim Cashman: Yeah, they all knew who was getting the ball.
John Cashman: and they don’t, like I said, they don’t wanna be the D that gives it up. Um,
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: but yeah. So Tim, . Places we can, we can still improve.
Tim Cashman: I think screens can still hurt the 49 ERs. , there were, um, there were three of ’em, uh, and I know that the defense gave up, , three points. And, you know, but as you said, John, this is the places we look to improve. , you know, with the defensive front, they love to play aggressive. , I think we’re just, you know, that’s still an area that can hurt the 49 ERs, so I.
If they can recognize ’em, uh, perhaps a little bit earlier, I think they can be in better position to limit those plays. But, uh, that’s something that, uh, the four Niners will continue to have to, to work on. And I know they did during, uh, the buy that they said as much. Uh, but at the end of the day, we’re nitpicking here.
We’re talking about a, a team that took four takeaways, five sacks, and I’m talking about three screenplays on a drive that produced three points, and that was the only points of the day for Jacksonville. So. With that, I have to tip my hat and say, okay, if I had to pick one thing, that would be it.
John Cashman: Well, the one place I was, , a bit concerned was the offensive line, , 50% pressure rate. , you know, Trent Williams at 75% is still an awesome, awesome, , Cole McKimm has got a little bit rolled up on, uh, but Spencer for Burford had a clean sheet, but you know, If you, they just have to give pretty enough time.
Uh, and that, , that’s my, my main concern because the more people look at that offensive line and see if they’re suspect, the more they’re gonna blitz, the more they’re gonna stunt. . , the more they’re gonna try and just, and get, get to Purdy, and, uh, you know, if they can’t establish the run, you know, then they’ll just, they’ll just stack the box.
So offensive lines is a bit of a, a bit of a concern. and then the only thing, other thing I saw was, um, you know, they had some, I saw the wishnowski kick it lit was, you know, perfect on the one yard line, but I’ve actually been susceptible this year to giving up some fairly long drives.
You know, obviously we ought to be three and out, but when you have a field position flipped like that, you know, one or two first downs and, and get ’em out, uh, that, those are the places to go improve.
But I mean, you know, it was, it was a, it was a great game. they played, they, they came out, they had made some adjustments. They looked like Niners. They had some swagger and I think, uh. I think they’re back on track. So with that, it comes to, uh, NIS tribute time with Brian.
Brian Caynan: All right.
John Cashman: I’m guessing somewhat bucks themed,
Brian Caynan: You got that right.
John Cashman: say R Pirate themed.
Brian Caynan: Ah, yes, it
John Cashman: you go.
Jim’s non plus about the whole thing.
Tim Cashman: I, I’m just like, uh, um, okay. That, that’s your pirate. That, nevermind
John Cashman: Hey Brian, do you wanna see my brother? Get all torqued up.
Brian Caynan: Yes.
John Cashman: who was the defensive tackle that broke Jerry Rice’s knee Silence is
Tim Cashman: am not even gonna answer that question.
John Cashman: I hope that wasn’t one of your trivia questions, Brian.
Brian Caynan: It was not
John Cashman: Okay, good. That’s a
brother
Tim Cashman: for bankruptcy, so Karma does go around.
Brian Caynan: I don’t, I don’t know who it is. Who is it?
John Cashman: It’s word
Tim Cashman: sap,
Brian Caynan: Oh, Okay. All right. All right. Right. Uh, 1976. Tampa based, started as an expansion team and played in what division in its first year,
John Cashman: , the NFC central
Tim Cashman: I don’t think that’s correct,
but I’ll, I’ll, you know what I’m gonna say, NFC South. Because the 49 ERs, or excuse me, the, the NFL did something, , unique that year. But anyway, uh, I’ll say NFC South
Brian Caynan: Okay. Okay, so John said NFC Central. Tim says NFC South. Okay. , question number two. Name five players who primarily were Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are in the Hall of Fame.
John Cashman: Uh, I’ll go. I’ll do, we’ll do one. One. Okay. So my first one’s Leroy S Sellman, Tim,
Tim Cashman: . Um, I’ll do Warren Sap.
John Cashman: uh, Derek Brooks. Uh.
Tim Cashman: John Lynch?
Brian Caynan: One more.
John Cashman: trying to think if there’s another one. No, I, I keep wanting to go to Doug Williams, but I don’t think he’s in the Hall of
Tim Cashman: No, he is not. He’s not, uh, he’s not Hall of Fame.
Brian Caynan: Right. We’ll come back to that.
Tim Cashman: All right.
Brian Caynan: Okay. Uh, let’s see. Speaking of John Lynch, now the GM of our beloved 49 ERs, which Major League baseball team drafted him. I. In 92, but he chose to stay at Stanford and finish his senior year with Bill Walsh.
Tim Cashman: Ooh.
John Cashman: , I’m gonna go take a complete shot in the dark St. Louis Cardinals.
Tim Cashman: I, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t think it’s right. I’ll just, I’ll just say Yankees.
Brian Caynan: Do you guys wanna hint or uh, just
Tim Cashman: Yeah,
John Cashman: We’ll take a hint.
Brian Caynan: Uh, this was, this is a national league. I’ll say that. It’s a National League team.
You said the card cardinals.
Tim Cashman: uh, I, I, I don’t have a clue.
I
Brian Caynan: about an expansion National League team? How’s that
Tim Cashman: Colorado Rockies.
Brian Caynan: Okay. All right. , all right. Cardinals and Rockies. Last question. The Niners played the Buccaneers on January 12th, 2003, as we all know, and we lost that game. The Niners lost 31 to six. Who scored our points for us on that day? Name that person.
John Cashman: I have no idea.
Tim Cashman: that was, um, I’m sorry, this was, this was the 31 to three that was the playoff game, right?
Brian Caynan: we lost 31 to six.
Tim Cashman: 31 to six, excuse
me. Uh,
Brian Caynan: was the week? Yeah, this was the weekend after that. Niner, I mean that
Tim Cashman: the Niners
Brian Caynan: back. Yeah.
Tim Cashman: so it was 31 6. So it’s 2003. So six points. Uh, it’s a kicker. Uh, who was our kicker? Um, it was not Jose Cortez. Um, was, uh, I, uh, Jeff Chandler. I don’t know.
Brian Caynan: Okay. All right, John.
John Cashman: I am gonna go with, , Mike Ver, which is probably wrong.
Tim Cashman: Wrong
John Cashman: Okay,
Brian Caynan: right. That’s it.
Tim Cashman: All right.
Brian Caynan: Moving on. We’ll come back.
John Cashman: All right. As we’ve been doing the last few weeks, I wanna welcome to the show Sean Ellison, who is a Buccaneers fan. So Sean, give us some, uh, history on how’d you become a Bucks fan?
Sean Ellison: I became a Bucks fan in 1976. Um, I was
originally born in
Tim Cashman: Wow,
Sean Ellison: in 72. and then my family moved to Florida and my grandparents managed and lived in a hotel on Clearwater Beach, and so they became season ticket holders in 1976. Um, I went to my first game when I was four years old. , I remember like it was yesterday. Uh, it, like, yeah, changed my life forever and, . A couple years, um, uh, I think I went to the NFC Championship game at 79 with the Rams we lost. , and then we moved back to Vermont and I graduated high school out of Vermont. I’m still a Bucks fan. , I could have switched over to New England or Giants Jets, but always stayed a Bucks fan. So I joined the military and I did 22 years in the military.
John Cashman: you for your service.
Sean Ellison: And, but thank you for supporting us veterans. We really appreciate it. so I got deployed but I always followed the bucks, um, and just always stayed with the bucks ’cause there was, yeah, I just loved them so much. So,
John Cashman: So, so you go back to the Leroy Sellman, Doug Williams
Tim Cashman: John mc, John
John Cashman: John McKay was some of the greatest interviews ever.
Sean Ellison: Yes, sir. Yes sir. Yep. Steve s Spurrier was our first quarterback, and I actually, I collect sports cards too, and I just got one of his autograph cards from, uh, Florida. So, um, yeah, I lived a pretty rough, uh, life, uh, being a Bucks fan all through high school
Tim Cashman: I,
Sean Ellison: school. Um, But I was always known as the kid that always Dr.
Dressed up as a Buccaneer and Full Pads helmet that I had Jersey for Halloween. That was me every Halloween. That was me. Um,
John Cashman: That’s awesome.
Sean Ellison: Yeah, so it’s, so when we won the Super Bowl in 20, um. And a couple years ago they, um, most of my Facebook friends were in high school, Monica included, you know,
sending me, Hey man, we remember you, you know, dressed up as a buck. You finally won a Super Bowl. It’s gotta be awesome. ’cause I was out the Super Bowl.
I went to the Super Bowl and , I had the time of my life. It was just amazing. Amazing.
John Cashman: Yeah. It help. It helps when you win
Sean Ellison: Yes, yes, yes
it does.
Tim Cashman: I, I went to a Super Bowl where they, the foreigners didn’t win. It was not as much fun leaving. So just FYI on that, just for, you know, that, that, that’s just a benchmark I’m putting out there.
John Cashman: So,
Sean Ellison: Sweet.
John Cashman: so far you guys, I believe are four and five this year. ,
Sean Ellison: Yes, sir. Four and five.
John Cashman: thoughts on this season so far? First one post Brady.
Sean Ellison: Uh, yeah. Post Brady. Um. We started off Hot three and one in our first four games. I think what
really hurt us was our bye week. We had a bye week at week five, and in a way it kind of helped out Mike Evans. ’cause Mike Evans has always been known to have hamstringing problems and stuff. So he’d got, I think he got it, , strained in the New Orleans game. And so we had that Bye week. And then we played, when I went to go see them in Tampa, uh, lions for our creams school game.
we were a different team, different team. We couldn’t even score a touchdown on Detroit, then we lose home against Atlanta. , and then we go to Houston, you know, and I thought, okay, we got this.
You know, I didn’t realize CJ STR was gonna go off like he did and yeah. Made history obviously. But, um.
The team was different. And I think that by week just took the mojo because, , just hearing re different reports of, uh, you know, the coach, you know, giving players time off during this. And I think it just broke our mojo because in the Detroit game, I was sitting in one of the end zones and Baker kept on Overthrowing Palmer twice, , Mike Evans and it, the timing wasn’t there and it was just, uh, yeah.
So I think that bye week,
John Cashman: Mm-Hmm.
Sean Ellison: , played differently against Titans this past weekend. , definitely, uh, that was the team that we saw the first four weeks and stuff, so, you know, there’s always about the coach not firing. We didn’t
do nothing on trade deadline. , we’re pretty strapped on cash and that’s why we have Baker Mayfield. ,
You know, paying all that money
for Brady and stuff, this is kind of our year to be like, we had to suck it up and we couldn’t get free agents and you know, so, yeah.
John Cashman: Yeah, it happens. So, , now thoughts on, on this week against going up against the Niners who, who obviously have been hot and cold.
Sean Ellison: Yeah. my thoughts with the 49 ERs is that I’m concerned about Chase, uh, chase Young.
We have a young, uh, offensive line, , the biggest one being Tristan, Ws being our right tackle all pro.
Moved him to left tackle. So, and then Donald Smith went on to the Chiefs. , and so the center, I was hoping Ryan Jens would be back our center, but he, I don’t think
he’ll ever play another down because of his knee injury. , you know, having a rookie at our right guard, uh, right tackle was our left guard last year, so I’m worried about that. Our running game is not as smooth as I wish it would be. Um, rash Wright is starting to, you know, catch Paul’s eye by backfield and stuff, but, , Leonard Fett would dance too much and Keyshawn Vaughn does the same kind of thing too.
And so our run game, that’s what I’m concerned about. But if we can get our tight ends and, you know, Mike Evans and just get Chris Godwin some open looks right in the beginning, I think that that could open it up. But, um, I’m, I’m more of a defensive guy, so I always like talking
about our defense, and for me it’s just, I just need Devin White to show out. , he’s,
you know, a free agent after this year, so he’s trying to get that a hundred million. I don’t see it yet,
especially playing for us, you know? And. Some games he’s there. Some games he’s not. And you know, Carlton Davis is always a diva. He’s too much of a diva. And , it was just kind of odd he had that toe injury.
He didn’t play this past weekend. ’cause I think the fans there would’ve booed him pretty hard at what he did against Houston. I.
John Cashman: So for you guys, for, you know, growing up, uh, bucks fans, did you have any football traditions or things you guys always were . Man, I can’t wait to, for Sundays we’re gonna do barbecue or something like that.
Sean Ellison: Usually when I fly into Tampa to go see the games, I go, , the tailgate right outside, it’s called What the Buck. ,
and it’s like $40 and all you can eat buffet, uh, drinks
John Cashman: Oh, cool.
Sean Ellison: just have a good time with other fans and stuff.
Yeah, there’s a couple of ones that I go to, um, different ones. Uh, but, uh, there’s really no tradition. Um, usually when I fly into Tampa, I always go to Ybor City because I like cigars. So I always, I always like getting the fresh rolled cigars and have one at the game.
Tim Cashman: Excellent.
John Cashman: Brian or Tim.
Tim Cashman: Well, . Yeah, I, what I always like to ask, , folks we have on this podcast is, you know, we, we think back to memories and, and for John, Brian and myself, you know, for us it was, it was growing up and, and, and going to candlestick and working summer jobs so we could support, you know, we could get season tickets.
, but we always try to ask, you know, what, what was, what were, say your, your favorite memory and then . I won’t say worst, I’ll just say least favorite memory of a Bucks fan. , so does anything come to mind? You mentioned, obviously, you know, uh, the McKay years, uh, and, and, and certainly I think after McKay left you, you probably had a, uh, it was the eighties.
Were not good for the, for the, uh, for the bucks, but I guess, uh, not so great memory, but then your favorite memory of, of, uh, of, uh, a Tampa fan.
Sean Ellison: you know, favorite, favorite memories is always going to the game with my grandfather. Um, like I said, he brought me to my first game when I was four. , funny story, in 1999, I, I was stationed in Virginia. I drove down They’re playing against the bears. So I wanted to take my grandfather to the game, you know, and pay for it. , so I got tickets outside the stadium, got in, got got scanned, went to our seats, and somebody else came to our seats and were like, uh, I think you guys are sitting on our seats. And we’re like, uh, no. So I showed them the tickets and the usher guy said our tickets were counterfeit. And I’m like, counterfeit.
How
did we got scanned at the front, and this is in 1999. and I’m just, and I, and my grandfather’s a full blown Italian, so he wasn’t having it and I was trying to calm him down. I think the saving grace, it was military appreciation day and I tried to tell the guy, I’m like, listen, I’m in the military. I’m, I don’t know how to
do all this stuff.
We’re just going to the game. You know, so they tend to kick people out, but they allowed us to stay in, we just had to stay in one of the end zones. But, , you know,, obviously, winning our first Super Bowl, . Yeah. I, I, I cried like a baby because it was just, there’s so, I have so much passion and pride for them, and I just feel that we win every game.
Like, I think we’re gonna win against San Francisco. You know, I just, I, I don’t have that negative when with the Bucks, I just always feel, , bad years probably, you know, I, I didn’t like how we did with Tony Dungy, you know, , letting him go and then bringing in John Gruden. Um, Tony Dungy made that defense. , so, but the bad years, it’s just trying to get over Philadelphia. Philadelphia always kept on knocking us out and finally got that, you know, in 2002 playing up there and stuff. So, um, I don’t really have any bad memories ’cause I mean, we’re two and oh in the Super Bowl, so we never lost. And so that feeling is, you know, great. , just see players go, I, I understand it’s a business. I got it. Totally. But you know, sometimes when you’re following ’em on social media, they’re family, , and just you, you want ’em to do good,
, so.
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Well, I have to say, you know, being a Buccaneers fan since 1976 , is something else. So, uh, kudos to, uh, for that my friend. One of, um, as John said, uh, you know, I, I think back to the, the early bucks, uh, you know, years, you know, 76 when they were, when the team was created, and just some of John McKay’s quips.
During press conferences , was always something that, , we took a kick out of. Uh, I, I think one of my favorites was, um, he came up to, , the podium and the press started asking him questions about the game and he got exasperated and he said, you guys don’t know a difference between a football and a , bunch of bananas. The next week comes back and the press had left a . A bunch of bananas on his podium, and he looks down and he looks at the press, he goes, you guys don’t know the differences between a football and a Mercedes-Benz. So, you know, but there, you know, I think to that, and then, but I think, you know, there was a, there was a book, uh, I, I, I’m trying to remember the, I, I think his name was Jason.
V Vogue, um, V-U-I-I-C, but he wrote, uh, a story called the Yuck. He wrote a book called The Yucks, and it was two years in Tampa and the longest losing streak in professional football, uh, at least in the NFL uh, history. I think at that time. Maybe it’s been broken, I don’t know. , but it just was literally, I mean, the bucks literally started with nothing in terms of, of a team.
They were getting castoffs from other teams. There. There wasn’t the draft like you saw. That the Panthers and the Jaguars and others had, uh, to at least, you know, get them started. They, they literally had to start from, from nothing. And . . Uh, but you know, how, how Mc, how McKay, you know, was able to stay the ground.
He, he built up a terrific defense with, of course, people like Le Le Leroy s Sellman. And as you said, , you know, 1979, you know, three years, you know, removed from their, , in inception their, their birth, uh, they make the N FFC championship, , they lose to the Rams, uh, in, uh, . Um, uh,
Sean Ellison: Pouring rain.
Tim Cashman: the Steelers in the Super Bowl, but yeah.
And pouring rain, uh, and, uh, I think it was a nine nothing game. , but, uh, yeah, and there was that. And then of course, you fast forward to, you know, the first Super Bowl in 2003, I think it was with John Gruden and that, just that amazing defense they had. Uh, you know, and of course our current gm, uh, John Lynch, I believe is on that team.
So, uh, there’s a little, little connection between the bucks and the Niners. And I was gonna say, since you’re in Vermont, obviously Vermont gave you a nice, , or New England gave you a nice , a little added bonus taking greatest quarterback ever and giving him to the bucks and winning a Super Bowl. So, , but yeah, so kudos to you, my friend.
I mean, that is, uh, that, that is, there, there is fandom and then there’s people like you. So my head is off to you.
John Cashman: So, , Sean, do you have a favorite player? I was, you know, we were talking about, um, Leroy Sellman and Derrick Brooks on the d uh, John Lynch is another one, but do you have a favorite one?
Sean Ellison: Oh, I’m sorry. Got lost. You there for a second?
John Cashman: Shaw, I don’t know if you heard my question, but I was wondering if you had another favorite, , defensive player on the Buccaneers.
Sean Ellison: Rde Barber, ,
number 20. I got married in his jerseys. My wife was all about, uh, and the funny thing is, is that my, this is in Vermont, , So we were in Tampa Bay, Jersey. My cousin and his wife were in New England, Patriots jerseys as my best man and, and grew. , and the whole wedding was centered around sports, whatever jersey you wanted to wear. Um, I’m kind of a, yeah, I did 22 years in the military, but I always kind of, I, I like to tone it down, you know, not be, and
so everybody that came to the wedding was in all sports jerseys and Yeah, it was a, it was amazing. But, uh, RD Barber, when he caught that interception from Donald, , McNabb and, uh, ran it back, uh, that’s when
tears started flowing because it’s just all those years of like
finally beating the Eagles.
Tim Cashman: Right. In Philly at the
last game
Sean Ellison: last game of the vet. I. And then the next year we opened up a Monday night and beat the Eagles on Monday night football to open up their new stadium. That’s a fun fact.
So we closed the vet down
and then opened up Lincoln Field and beat. That was, uh, that was when, , Joe Jarvis. He tapped that he tapped that ball to himself in the corner of the end zone, that Monday night game.
Tim Cashman: oh, yeah. Wow. That was thought. 2004. 2000.
Sean Ellison: yeah, Yeah. We opened up their stadium with their laws to the books,
so
Tim Cashman: Yeah. Well, I, I’ll say this, uh, uh, I, I think for all three of us, you’ve given us a fantastic idea for how we’re all going to renew our vows in sports gear. So I’m gonna put that on our calendars and
Brian, you’ll have the warriors. Uh, John, I guess we’ll just have to see who gets which jersey for the 49 ERs
John Cashman: Yeah.
Brian Caynan: I got a, I got a
question for you,
what’s your, , what do you think is, uh, the better uniform, the more nostalgic, , creamsicle ones or the, the red pewter, , color scheme they get going on now? What, what do you love more and which jersey would you be rocking more like, like what color jersey were you wearing at that, at your, at your wedding?
Maybe that’s a, that’s a question.
Sean Ellison: , that’s, that was my, uh, rendez, uh, white Jersey. Authentic. I gotta hang it up in the closet. , I’m physical guy. That’s the reason why when I, when I was waiting for the schedule to open to see what game, home game we were gonna be in our Creamsicle uniforms, uh, that just, it just brings back so much memories.
I have so much I have like three closets full of jerseys. , but, uh, yeah, the creamsicle ones, , I wish they would just stay with those, but.
Brian Caynan: I, I just remember watching those
on
John Cashman: gotta sell more
Brian Caynan: just remember watching those games on TV a kid and seeing Bucks highlights, and, I mean, I didn’t, to me as, as a 49 ERs fan, I, I thought they were , at that time I didn’t think they were, you know, that very much good looking, but now today I think they’re very nostalgic and I would, I love that color
scheme, , today. .
Sean Ellison: Yeah, that’s, uh, yeah. I mean, I, you know, growing up in the eighties, you know, I, if, if they showed Tampa Bay on tv, I was like, oh, that’s my Super Bowl. We could be getting blown up by the Giants or something. I mean, that’s how I was when I was a kid. And
I’d get fooled by Tennessee. , the University of Tennessee. because as a
kid I would see it on Saturday and I’d be like, Hey, Tampa Bay planted, got a tee. And they’d be in those orange uniforms, tend to see volunteers, you know? I’m like, no, that’s not them. They’re not, that’s not, that’s a different team. I’m like, oh, okay. But
Brian Caynan: I got one more
question
Sean Ellison: creates to go all the way.
Brian Caynan: , so I know John asked about your favorite defensive player. Who’s your favorite offensive player? Um, of all time
Sean Ellison: Man.
Tim Cashman: Say my alstot. Just say
Sean Ellison: Yeah. ’cause I, I, I, because I’m wearing his jersey.
That’s the jersey I’m saying Mike sla. See, it’s the jersey I’m wearing right
now. It’s our Super Bowl
Tim Cashman: built like a dump
John Cashman: greatest, greatest fantasy football player ever.
Tim Cashman: Yeah,
Sean Ellison: I, I’d like Carne Williams too, but we ran him to the ground, , Cadillac Williams.
Um,
Tim Cashman: sure.
Sean Ellison: but, uh, work done, he always does good in the community. He’s got a, he’s got a good heart.
John Cashman: ,
And uh, I think he bought like one or 2% of the Atlanta Falcons and work done is now a fairly well off individual. , I always loved him from Florida State. Yeah, always a good dude.
So.
Sean Ellison: he’s, he’s got, he does that prodrome for, , giving away homes and stuff. He does that for families.
Tim Cashman: That’s wonderful.
John Cashman: Cool. Well, Sean, man, this was awesome. Thanks for joining us on NI’s talk. We, uh, we really enjoyed it.
Sean Ellison: Hey, I really appreciate the opportunity. I was, I was very, anxiety was just kind of like, oh, I don’t know how I’m gonna act. And, you know, but it’s, uh, you know, always talking football. It’s always, uh,
it’s right up my alley and stuff.
John Cashman: Yeah, it’s,
Tim Cashman: well, some people it af maybe after you’ve had a few drinks, then you talk football. That doesn’t put people at ease. But, you know, uh,
Sean Ellison: I mean, I still feel comfortable that we, I still feel comfortable that we’ll win into San Francisco
I,
John Cashman: we, we.
Sean Ellison: only won there two times, so
John Cashman: Third time’s a charm. Um, you know, we found out, we’ve had, uh, a lot of guests on and we’ve all found that, you know, football is such a great family event. It all centers around it. , you get people talking about how great it is and the wins and the losses. Yeah, they, they suck and you feel not so great on
Sean Ellison: Yeah,
John Cashman: you know, just the time you get to spend together, it is just awesome.
Sean Ellison: yeah. Um, I’m flying up to Green Bay to go see books up there in, uh, December, so Um, I’ll go from hot and sweaty to like trying to layer everything on and stuff. I’m really looking forward to never been to Lambo Field and I just feel that’s a bucket list
for a football fan. ,
I’m gonna do the stadium tour. , probably won’t do the Lambo leap ’cause I’m too big to try to jump up that high. But, uh, I’m really looking forward to that trip and, and meeting other packs, packer fans and stuff. So,
John Cashman: Cool. All right, man. Well, thanks again for, for coming on
Tim Cashman: you.
Sean.
John Cashman: look, you know, good luck
Sean Ellison: No worries. I I really appreciate it.
John Cashman: All right. Well that was an awesome interview with Mr. Sean. So let’s talk bucks. , So it’s an interesting team. I mean, you know, we got middle of the road offense. , D is right number eight, but I think they have the second highest red zone. And then, , I think they’re number two in red zone defense. So, Tim, initial thoughts.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, I watched the tape of the, , of the Titans, uh, bucks game. Uh, this was not an impressive football game by, by either team, and I know that Tampa came out, , on top. Um, but, uh, you know, uh, baker Mayfield, uh, you know, I look at him, he’s not a quarterback that he’s got a very good arm. And he can be accurate when he has to be, but mobility is an issue for him.
So if the four Niners can collapse the pocket, uh, don’t give up, you know, penalties like, you know, holding on third down, , that extend drives, , I think the four Niners can get some good pressure on, uh, on Tampa. And I see this as being, , another opportunity for the defense to . Established itself after frankly, , despite the talent being one of the poor defenses, uh, in the NFL, in that three game losing streak.
So I think this is the next, , step opportunity for the, for an hour defense. I think they take it, uh, and I think they’re gonna get some decent pressure on, on Mayfield.
John Cashman: Cool. Brian, your thoughts
Brian Caynan: Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing. I think the defense is gonna step up. , you know, it’s always fun when Nick Bosa. Now Chase Young from Ohio State is gonna play Baker Mayfield. , So that’s gonna have that added little, um, you know, that Ohio State, Oklahoma, , thing with the flag that happened back in what college.
So there’s always that extra little motivation and I think it’s gonna come out and, , I hope the Niners have a, have a good game. You know, they should, they have the talent, as Tim was saying. , I think it’s their, I think it’s gonna. I think they should be able to win this game.
John Cashman: Hey, Tim was Chase Young on that team? I think he was at when Oklahoma beat. Ohio State.
Tim Cashman: Uh,
John Cashman: I think he
Tim Cashman: I would, I, it is possible. I think Chase Young’s rookie year was what, 2020.
John Cashman: yeah, it’s the year after Bosa.
Tim Cashman: a year after Boso. So yeah, I think that, yeah, so maybe, I think, ’cause uh, the Columbia was maybe in 2018, Boso was working in 2019. So yeah, I think that’s, uh,
that’s a possibility.
John Cashman: I am willing to bet, though they don’t cover Betts in this podcast anymore, , one of them is gonna plant the flag on, uh, on Sunday. Um, because that was such a big Nick Bosa moment. It really is coming out, uh, in 20, uh, 19. , but I, I think one of ’em is gonna do it, uh, if not both of them together.
Tim Cashman: ,
I will, I will take that bet. John. I say he doesn’t do it.
John Cashman: okay. I don’t know what we’re gonna bet. Just strutting.
Tim Cashman: Get an, I get an extra piece of pie at Thanksgiving at your house.
John Cashman: WHy don’t we just do a Manhattan, Tim? Straight up
Tim Cashman: good. Sounds good at it.
John Cashman: So, um,
Brian Caynan: Arizona.
John Cashman: cool. Um. All right. So keys to victory. We’re going back home. Nirs have a very good record at home. Obviously they, uh, they lost their streak when they lost the Bengals, but I think just getting home and if they get more than 17 points, get more than 17 points, you’re gonna be fine. Um, and Tim, do you think, do you have a name from kind of the Niners style of football? I put here Niners Bully Ball.
Tim Cashman: I understand what you mean. When I think of, of bully ball, I really think of the Jim Harbaugh year. Where they were just a big, powerful, kind of nasty, uh, football team. Uh, you know, I think of people like Justin Smith and Navarro Bowman and, and Patrick Willis. , no, this team, if, if anything, I, I think it’s more, uh, I think it’s more complimentary.
You know, if, if you get pressure on, uh, you know, a baker, you know, you tip the pass, Fred’s, Fred’s there to make, , the interception or you know, you bottle a a team, you bottle that running back up. You know, Drake Greenlaw is gonna come in and, and finish it off, uh, Mitch wi now so he can pin you back and, uh, and then help flip the field.
, so I think complimentary is how I would describe this football team.
John Cashman: Okay, so that would be your key to victory. Keep complimentary football.
Tim Cashman: Yeah, absolutely. You know, or, you know, if, if one side, you know, there are just days that yeah, your defense isn’t, you know, doing that great, but your offense, uh, steps up or vice versa. Your defense gives your offense opportunities if they’re struggling.
John Cashman: cool. Brian, another key to Victory
Brian Caynan: , well, you know, I know we have all of our best players back, so, you know, love to see Trent Williams out there. And then, um, just, I think that changes the scope of the offense. So, you know, McCaffery in his previous games when Trent, Trent Williams wasn’t there, it was kind of limited in yards, I wanna say around 50.
I, I don’t remember the exact number, but . It was in the fifties. It was pretty low, , for him. I know he almost, he didn’t, he didn’t break a hundred this week. , in terms of rushing, I know he got like 95. So I think just, , stay healthy. I know we’d love to see Trent Williams there. I know. I mean, I did see also the note that MCs got hurt, um, and rolled his ankle a little bit.
So we’ll see if he plays. But, . As long as they can all stay healthy. I mean, I think it just opens up the world in terms of the offense and, and the defense. Um, but in just terms of the offense, it opens it all up.
John Cashman: My, my last key to the victory, , having kind of thought about, , like the Minnesota game and, and some of the other ones where we lost, is just trying to limit some of these, like especially if for a team that the Nish probably should beat, , limit the explosive plays. You know, it’s like we sh. Probably should have won the Vikings game.
But when you give up a touchdown at the end, ’cause you zero blitz and you know Ari is misses the interception, the guy walks in, they get a free touchdown. We end up losing, you know, you know, buy that amount. So don’t give Bak a chance to be the David versus the Goliath. Like limit the explosive plays.
Keep everything in front of you. Play Niners complimentary football and scored more in 17. You know, that’s, it’s gonna be a tall order for the Buccaneers to, to get over. So,
Brian Caynan: Yep.
John Cashman: um, so on that note, Brian, how were we in Niners trivia this week?
Brian Caynan: Ooh, let’s go over that one. Okay, so question number one, Tampa Bay started an expansion team and played in what division? Uh, they started in 1976. So Sean had mentioned, , Tim, you said the NFC, was it the central.
Tim Cashman: I said the South John said the central.
Brian Caynan: Okay. Okay. , so the answer was they started in the AFC West, um,
Tim Cashman: No
kidding.
Brian Caynan: yeah, for one year. And then, , I’m not sure where Seattle was, but they ended up switching spots with Seattle. So Seattle jumped to the AFC West
Tim Cashman: I.
Brian Caynan: um, yeah, so they, and then they moved to the NFC Central. So that’s how that started.
John Cashman: Interesting.
Brian Caynan: Okay, , number two, name the five players in the Pro Hood Pro Football Hall of Fame, uh, who are primarily Tampa Bay Buccaneers. , you guys got four of them, um,
John Cashman: Wait, can I, can I add, can I add a fifth?
Brian Caynan: sure.
John Cashman: Ron Wolf? Ron Wolf?
Tim Cashman: Oh.
John Cashman: Is that the fifth one? Oh, who is the fifth?
Brian Caynan: well, let’s go over them first. So you guys, both you guys said, , Leroy Salmon, correct? Derek
John Cashman: Selmon, not Leroy. Not Le
Tim Cashman: not like the fish.
Brian Caynan: Sorry. I never, I’m sorry. I never heard him
John Cashman: Yeah, I,
Brian Caynan: good research.
John Cashman: I, I honestly do not wanna insult that man, like
Tim Cashman: n no
Brian Caynan: Excuse me, sir. You’re correct. Uh, okay. Uh, so Leroy Salmon.
Tim Cashman: Sellman
Brian Caynan: Brook, Salman
Tim Cashman: Just go to the next
Brian Caynan: Derek Brooks. Uh, Warren Sapp, uh, the Great John Lynch. , last one is Sean Allison’s buddy Ronde Barber.
Tim Cashman: Ah, missed that one.
Brian Caynan: Yeah. Okay. , number three, the Great John Lynch. What baseball team was he drafted by during, after his junior year at Stanford? , John, you said the Cardinals. Tim, you said the Rockies. It was actually the Florida Marlins.
Tim Cashman: Ah, all right. Well,
Brian Caynan: Marlins. , and then you chose to stick around with Bill Walsh for one more year?
Uh, okay. Uh, Niners lost 31 6. . In the divisional round of the playoffs in January 12th, 2003, uh, who scored our points for us that game? Uh, Tim, you said,
Tim Cashman: Jeff Chandler
Brian Caynan: and then John, you said
John Cashman: Mike, ’cause I have no idea.
Brian Caynan: Well, definitely wasn’t Mike Fer, but Tim, you’re right. It was Jeff Chandler. He was our
Tim Cashman: Are you kidding me? Oh God.
John Cashman: and Jeff Chan, if you’re listening. Good job that
Tim Cashman: Good job. Yeah, that was, uh, Steve Marucci’s last game as head coach,
Brian Caynan: Yes. Yep.
Tim Cashman: because then we entered the Dennis Erickson. era and Well, the Niners, yeah, the Niners did not go to the playoffs until, , 2011, so that was an eight year
drought.
Brian Caynan: long years. Yep.
John Cashman: I.
Brian Caynan: That is it.
John Cashman: Cool.
Brian Caynan: Alright.
John Cashman: Well, guys, final thoughts for, , Sunday? What do you got for, well, and also what are you guys gonna be doing for the game?
Tim Cashman: Am watching it.
John Cashman: I mean, I guys keep running miles, so just in normal, everyday football.
Tim Cashman: Yeah.
John Cashman: Okay.
Brian Caynan: I, . Well, you know, Tim and I are running a marathon in a couple weeks, so I’m actually, Tim, I’m running a, a half marathon on Sunday as part of my taper. , And I’ll be home at one o’clock, uh, my time locally to, uh, to watch that game. So, uh, I’m looking forward to it. I’ll have a, a couple of my local brewery beers on hand, and then just kind of chilling at home watching this one.
John Cashman: Nice.
Brian Caynan: Yeah.
John Cashman: Um,
Brian Caynan: then John, what
John Cashman: I have a cheer competition I have to go to. So my youngest is, is doing a cheer competition, which means probably about an hour’s wait while someone, , while I wait for her to do it.
Two minute routine. So anyway, but I’ll be home by four. Uh, so the game comes on. So, cool. Final thoughts on the Niners, Brian?
Brian Caynan: You know, they should take care of business. I think they needed that bi-week, , to clean things up. They got healthy, so I expect them, knock on wood to hopefully take care of business next weekend.
John Cashman: Cool. Tim, you had them at a Crossroads last podcast.
Tim Cashman: I think this one is just, it’s all about playoff opposition. Now you’re in the second half of the season.
John Cashman: so are the Niners on the right track off their crossroads?
Tim Cashman: if they keep winning, they are.
John Cashman: Okay. Uh, was just good to see them back to being
Brian Caynan: Oh yeah.
John Cashman: Um, what, or not normal, what we think they should, could be. , the frustrating thing, especially against the Bengals, was like, they just didn’t look like . Themselves. , so they’re looking good.
, I, I think they’re gonna do pretty well this upcoming weekend. , you know, we’ll look forward to the games ahead. Those will not be mentioned until we get past this week. So on that note. Niners Nation, thanks for tuning in one more week. This is our 20th podcast, which is hard to believe, , and we look forward to doing more of these.
And always, stay faithful. Have a good one.
